Agree, completely breaks the flow of combat, I hate it on both aleph and ammo, but as you say it’s especially bad with aleph, at the very least it would be great if they reverted back to the old system for aleph or like was suggested before by another user, make aleph drop only when the player is full/ has a 5 stack.

What is going on with this upcoming update, I want to be exited for the new cosmetics, melee weapons, that stuff looks great but now the cons are starting to pile up, it’s hard enough getting ppl to work as a team and now we are going to have this childish MVP nonsense to stroke jimmy’s little e-peen.

Then we have the game going casual with ammo drops, aleph drops, are they going to keep removing cool features that made the game so much fun, unique? What’s next, are we going to get constant HP regen regardless of stress so it can work like every other 3rd person shooter?

Basically these 2 features (especially MVP) seem highly unnecessary and in the case of MVP potentially damaging to the game experience, if you want to reward a player that put in more effort do so with the games currencies but make it private, the fact even now we see other ppls rewards, if they got or failed a BP roll, how much gold/bp they were given, all this is already pointless and only serves to annoy older players because they are many times given less rewards even though they probably ended up carrying the match.

Just today they had a well know Antag who is known for being toxic and trolling gloat that he drew out a survive at least 6 times lasting an hour for these poor Raiders. He would kill them and then let them survive, rinse repeat, only to kill them in the end when he was done toying with them. And you know what they did there? They all applauded him. They gloated with him, showered him with favor over this griefing.

This here is exactly what goes on, actual toxicity is rewarded in the discord, it’s sad and bad for the community. That they decided to pick and choose a bunch off legitimate topics on the game and ban them is so incredibly hypocritical, since toxic discussions are encouraged.

Karen, MSE, you have a very special game going here, it is very unique, a new and overall top notch take on the 3rd person shooter genre, and I would be a shame for you guys to sell yourselves short, the reason it’s so special, so unique, involves the true core of the game (no, not antags) but the systems that have been set in its foundation, the momentum in the character’s movement and how it affects gameplay in such a massive way, which additionally allows for the removal of that pesky, boring, sprint button, the unique way of acquiring ammunition, the stress mechanic and how it ties to both stealth and health regen, the aleph system and how it changes the dynamics of combat not only through stacking, which gives elites and raiders new or improved abilities but also in how it enables important risk and reward manoeuvres because of the temporary invincibility it provides when acquired. Ofc we also have the uniqueness of all characters and weapons in both their visual design and actual gameplay, etc, point is this game is much MUCH more than its PVP and it’s a shame you guys don’t embrace that more.

As for "misery and trolling", whether you wanted it or not (though it is disingenuous that you guys deny it when you have boasted about it in interviews and promotional material…) it’s there and in force, it’s the biggest, most glaring issue the community has and sadly although players share in the blame, you, the devs are the main culprit, intended or not the system is designed for it (antags), as it is right know it’s going to attract the worst of the PVP community, the sad type of player not looking for a fair fight, the type that enjoys trolling, that enjoys wasting and ruining other ppls fun and rewards, the asstwats that giggle like a schoolgirl while spewing nonsense about collecting salt, and saying “separating both modes would result in higher waiting times, impacting negatively on the experience.” Is really troubling, basically the antag experience, their experience takes precedence over all others, which is discouraging.

Spacelords identity, daily rewards and the forge sound like exactly the kinds of things the game needs, too bad the potential positivity from those additions will be overshadowed by the negativity “master of puppets” and “aurora specters” will bring to everyone but a  small handful of dedicated griefers… I mean antags… I bet these 2 features will be OP as hell for the 1st weeks before they are nerfed, but by then the damage will be done (again) and many new potential players will have been alienated (again) by said handful of antags…

I feel your pain I’ve had days like that often but funnily enough yesterday I had the complete opposite experience, I had one of those rare session (around 5 hours) in which I only encountered 1 antag, suffice to say it was a blast, a very relaxing, rewarding and fun experience, makes me remember why I stick with the game in spite of the antag system and why it would be a shame to see the game shut down.

Many of your suggestions would alleviate the issue, but imo there can be no middle ground, much less a happy one, or maybe a better way of putting it is there SHOULDN’T be a middle ground, either go full on PVP or separate them.

Here's a video demonstration of infinite health while being swarmed:
https://www.facebook.com/welter.wilson.7/videos/2123340744447437/

Well he is testing that in single player and I’m assuming at a low difficulty, those shotgunners were doing very little damage, I doubt it would look the same at any decent mmr, he would probably get downed while transforming out of cougar, I know it happened to me a couple times since I rolled for the card (regular version) and tested it out last night. I had loads of fun with it, I could still get downed as I said but that extra life gave a push to survivability that made catform not feel as underwhelming.

If it gave her invulnerability while changing maybe I would agree on it being broken, but as it is I hope MSE doesn’t change it, though we all know how much they like them nerfs… Now I really want to farm some 5th council FP to get the rare version.