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Doldren is still too powerful
on: June 28, 2019, 10:38:58 PM
Antag Doldren with Patient and some other melee damage buff card. Uses ability, melee insta-kill every time. Nothing anyone can do about it because it's too fast. Doesn't even matter what gun he's using, 'cause he never uses it. This needs to change.

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Re: Doldren is still too powerful
Reply #1 on: June 29, 2019, 03:56:34 AM
Yeah facing Doldren with this "Build" is particularly tough. Honestly when ever you see a Doldren you need to put in a lot more Focus to whats going on behind you at all times while he's alive. I've personally seen a player that actually amazed me the Entire match when I was using this very specific "Strategy". His team were all around the same high levels but they couldnt adapt to Doldrens method but this one Loath player, man, his reaction timing was on point, so much so that if I warped in to go for a Punch he would strike before my own punch lands.....Every single time.


I was being a pretty crap player at the time so used exploits to get him, if he was on a slightly lower platform id appear on the one slightly higher so his punch will miss even with his ridiculous reaction time and id grapple him or wait till hes focused on enemy AI and appear than. Thats base Doldren right there without considering weapons....it sucks to be on the receiving end.

So yeah squad up and Always keep your attention behind you even if AI grunts or even elites are attacking you. If the Ping is good and you look for the Blue fog or sound queue, you'll be able to react fast enough. Unfortunetly you cant depend on Randoms to do the same.

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Re: Doldren is still too powerful
Reply #2 on: June 29, 2019, 11:38:14 AM
no.
just take a doldren to chase him too, or a hive with plague or spore, or a konstantin or anything capable of chasing/repulse him.

i have a video where a hans and i are destroying an antag doldren again and again.
wanna see if he is too powerfull ? =)

everyone, stop crying for your own failure goddamit.
and i totally agree with you angeles.


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Re: Doldren is still too powerful
Reply #3 on: July 01, 2019, 11:25:40 AM
by all mean angeles do you remember the guy's name ?
i fought an antag lycus yesterday while i was "counterantaging" with doldren, and the guy humiliates me all mission long XD

my too first attacks, he was lucky, first time, he had been saved by troopers around, and second he didn't saw me coming but decide to move when i arrived, so i strike the air, and then troupers noticed me, so he did too...

but then... since he had nothing to focus on except raiders, well he did that, and he was clearly waiting for me and was reacting fucking quickly in all circumstances.

killed him only once and it was not by surprise

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Re: Doldren is still too powerful
Reply #4 on: July 01, 2019, 11:50:46 AM
There is strong doldrens out there.... one that use his guns. Other ones.... idk i maybe was having hard time with them at the very very start but now? ehhh not so much.
and what is doldren if not a discount harec XD

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Reply #5 on: July 01, 2019, 11:14:02 PM
I cant remember the player that humbled me but I only remember the fact that he/she was one of the more well known SL players....not that that narrows it down at all lol.

and lol I think Shae is more of a Discount Harec than Doldren is. Doldren is pretty damn Unique.

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Re: Doldren is still too powerful
Reply #6 on: July 02, 2019, 12:03:51 AM
could you please stop talking bad about all the characters i love ?!

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Re: Doldren is still too powerful
Reply #7 on: July 02, 2019, 05:05:58 PM
No. 🙃
I mean both of their power allow them to reposition, and both have capability to oneshot hs enemy. Its just harec does it better.😃

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Re: Doldren is still too powerful
Reply #8 on: July 03, 2019, 10:08:47 AM
hey angeles, don't know if you noticed, but we just fought each other bro =))

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Re: Doldren is still too powerful
Reply #9 on: July 03, 2019, 05:17:47 PM
no.
just take a doldren to chase him too, or a hive with plague or spore, or a konstantin or anything capable of chasing/repulse him.

i have a video where a hans and i are destroying an antag doldren again and again.
wanna see if he is too powerfull ? =)

everyone, stop crying for your own failure goddamit.
and i totally agree with you angeles.
It all really depends on whether you're in a team with a Doldren of your own or a Shae to hunt them down. Remember, you choose your team before the Antagonist appears.
I played a game yesterday, as Doldren and wiped out the enemy. They had a Hive and a Kon. Heck they even had a Doldren but I simply appeared behind them, having taken out Doldren and it was easy pickings. My weapon was the default one with no upgrade. I also didn't even have any CQC cards equipped.

Doldren is, by far the deadliest Antagonist in the game due to being able to float, invisible all over the place at run speed.

Any team, without someone to combat him is dead. A high level Doldren will wipe out most teams easily. 

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Re: Doldren is still too powerful
Reply #10 on: July 03, 2019, 06:05:17 PM
shae is useless against doldren. since most of the time you are hidding and not running in front of everyone...
on the contrary  she is a good target for him, since she can be easily off gard, sniping something who distract her from you attack.

hive with spores or plague will OS doldren in close combat and finish him most of the time and spores prevent her to be took by surprise.

konstantin with good reaction time will repulse  with his shield and grab him.

you faced a bad team and won. what does it proves ?

of course doldren can be deadly, especially against players who are not used to face him or who are distract by something else during their fight.

as any other character can be deadly depending of the situation/map/player who use it or team he faces.

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Reply #11 on: July 03, 2019, 06:49:07 PM
shae is useless against doldren. since most of the time you are hidding and not running in front of everyone...
on the contrary  she is a good target for him, since she can be easily off gard, sniping something who distract her from you attack.
Really, after she's bewitched him? One shot from her default weapon will kill anyone along with Sa-Dhu. Her other weapons will knock him into wounded state instantly, removing his special ability use, with the next finishing him off.
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konstantin with good reaction time will repulse  with his shield and grab him.
Yes, that's when he has it. Once he's used it he's a sitting duck. More so, a clever Doldren won't go in for a grab or strike against Kon. They'll appear out of vision and wound him, instantly disabling his repulse sphere and in for a very easy kill.

You and I are just going to disagree on pretty much everything. I do however respect your choice to disagree. We just don't see eye to eye. A good Doldren will wreck any team, due to being able to travel, invisible all over the map. His weapons can INSTANTLY bring about wounded state, disabling special abilities to move in for a quick kill, before using his special ability again, to get out of danger. He is BY FAR the most dangerous Antagonist there is to play against. He is the definition of the Antagonist.

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Re: Doldren is still too powerful
Reply #12 on: July 03, 2019, 07:20:00 PM
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Really, after she's bewitched him?

to bewitch him she has to spot him first.
and if she had spotted him and had time to bewitch him, then she certainly just lost an occasion to shoot and kill him.

and if you have been spotted as a doldren, you certainly already made a mistake, because it wong take long before rak start spraying bombs everywhere or harec snipes you from behind.

(and yes sadhu is great, but don't underestimate doldren weapons, shae only have 60hp too, and it doesn't take much time to kill her if he shoots her first and some players are really quick to shoot with doldren.)

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They'll appear out of vision and wound him, instantly disabling his repulse sphere and in for a very easy kill.

and there is no easy kills against konstantin.
even wounded he can blast a doldren head in seconds if he shoots you and he is pretty resistant to bullets.

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A good Doldren will wreck any team, due to being able to travel, invisible all over the map.

yeah. and doing so, his body is absolutly defenseless if someone spoted him.
and old players often know where to look for a doldren body.

moreover there is a lot of raiders who win against doldren antags... so i can already disagree when you say that he will wipe any team.
he will wipe any team unable to handle him.
as any other character can wipe a team if they doesn't know how to handle them.

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He is the definition of the Antagonist.

well, i may be wrong but i think that's exactly what he is made for from the start.
a good antag character.
but yet, he is still not overpowered. ^^

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Re: Doldren is still too powerful
Reply #13 on: July 03, 2019, 08:04:28 PM
The strongest antag is harec. If doldren dont run algo mortis.... He will just die when he try to spawn and use abbility. If he does have it. Then it all depend on map and how good harec are. Antag spawns still a bit so so on most maps. Doldren isnt bad raider but anything he can do harec can do better.🙃

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Re: Doldren is still too powerful
Reply #14 on: July 14, 2019, 04:38:51 PM
Having played Doldren quite a bit now and worse, with no CQC card after at least 55 or so rerolls to try and get one (seriously MSE?), I can safely say that Doldren is really only effective as a Raider. If you play in a team that sticks together Doldren isn't getting anywhere. He's squishier than a pea. If you are very lucky, to play against a team, incapable of sticking together, then a Doldren will wreck them, but sadly a good team will keep him locked down most of the time and in wounded state. I've found playing Doldren to be far, far harder as an Antagonist than as a Raider.