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BARRACKS => Gameplay Feedback => Topic started by: TheBrentWoody on February 22, 2018, 08:08:29 PM
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So, as new things have come out, and I've got some things and provided some negativity about Doldren's overall kit and concept...I'd like to focus on something that I find absolutely wonderful.
Iune. Iune is SOO good at this game. Iune can save you some Aleph by healing Allies, She can control a handful of adds to provide time (and does pretty good damage), she can answer antagonists (or complete dominate them with the right weapon selection). She can even get a little minion to run around.
The minion is the only thing that needs a little help in her kit. (I would consider making it auto target the enemy nearest with the same kill all the things attitude as the "Target Orders" that are given.)
But she is so good, and I love her. She's very good at making things come together.
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I was thinking of getting her next, she looks really fun. How does the minion act as it stands right now? I'd assume it would go for nearest target.
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It just acts like a typical AI and wanders until it sees something then retreats to fight other things or engages like typical AI. No targeting mechanisim that I can tell to get it to do anything specific.
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The minion is the weakest part in her kit, because when you dominate you get them with remaining health (I would suggest the possession refill the health initially, and probably even provided a healing boost/capability that is innate outside of her special ability to make it a relevant part of her.) Its just extra icing on the cake. I use the Sigh. I can't see anything being better than the Sigh for her general usage. (Haven't played with the Vortex, but to be better than the Sigh it'd need to be broken. Hah.) The minion barely contributes thing, to the point where I get excited if my minion even kills something, and generally reward my little buddy with one of my coveted heals, hah. Anyway. The minion becomes really irrelevant with the sheer amount of utility you're packing with the heal/stagger combo (I also highly recommend stoicism card, since she can stall elites and small numbers of minions from killing her for awhile.)
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Are you serious?!! At 50%-60% or more the minions DESTROY you if given the chance, kicking you as soon as they can (every second you are in range) then blasting you the split second you are out of melee range. They shoot you from across the map with their energy "pulse rifles?" and you're telling me when Iune "charms" them they turn from killing machines to simple minded dopey grunts? I would expect they be and act as the same unit they were just a second before.
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It's probably a numbers issue. One Grunt (Who doesn't take direction) won't stand up against a few shooting him long enough to kill one of them. (And if you do the Shoot Grab method) you've already taken out a quarter or more of his health, hah. (Wardogs are the best minions because they heal themselves.)
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Oh, but one cool thing is if a minion kills someone in melee (which they seem to do very infrequently) it does give you ammo. hah.
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I have a question about her Mind Control I was wondering about. Does it affect Elites and/or Raiders?
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Nope. Just grunts.
They say it only works against "Weak-Minded" individuals.
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It seems like her kit is cut in half when playing as antag. Which is no big deal, not all Raiders are meant to be antag and some excel at antag.
I'm saving up for her currently.
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Nah, I don't think it would be. The minion might qualify as 10% of her kit power. There is a card that reduces cooldown on heal by a large number (around 50%) if used on a non-player ally, so you can make super minions/elites with her. Wait for a wounded elite and then heal them to suprise interupt the grapple. Use the Sigh to stagger them all day, or walk them off cliff sides. Two shots downs everyone but fifty council, and three gets fifth council with that aoe stagger you can stun lock individuals. She's great. I haven't tried her as antag, but I'm sure I will soon.
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Won my two matches played as Antagonist yesterday with her. Because Sigh is brutal. (And FYI the team I was against wasn't noobs.., 16,15,14,6 on Fistful of Sand Ginebra, HIVE, Loaht, and Doldren(Victory by Kills not Objective.) and 2 Noob on second one (2 and 3) 6 and 16 on No Reservations. (One leaver) Shae, Alicia, HIVE with the Konstantin Leaver.
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Won my two matches played as Antagonist yesterday with her. Because Sigh is brutal. (And FYI the team I was against wasn't noobs.., 16,15,14,6 on Fistful of Sand Ginebra, HIVE, Loaht, and Doldren(Victory by Kills not Objective.) and 2 Noob on second one (2 and 3) 6 and 16 on No Reservations. (One leaver) Shae, Alicia, HIVE with the Konstantin Leaver.
What does "Sigh" do?
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Staggers with shot when her aleph gimmick is full, which you can wait for between each shot. Like the stagger on grenade launcher, but detonates and aoe on impact.
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Best I have seen with this was a particular player on Xbox that was the first I saw use Sigh on The Beast's Lair. Kept us from crossing the bridge almost indefinitely and generally harassed us the entire match by knocking us around. The AOE is quite big and incredibly hard to dodge if they just shoot the ground remotely near you. As this player pointed out to me, it keeps players from being able to shoot as they are constantly stumbled and it even allowed him to get efficient kills that way in CQC.
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Won my two matches played as Antagonist yesterday with her. Because Sigh is brutal. (And FYI the team I was against wasn't noobs.., 16,15,14,6 on Fistful of Sand Ginebra, HIVE, Loaht, and Doldren(Victory by Kills not Objective.) and 2 Noob on second one (2 and 3) 6 and 16 on No Reservations. (One leaver) Shae, Alicia, HIVE with the Konstantin Leaver.
i dont think calling somebody "noob" depending on its rank is right in this game, afther all you dont rank up by "playing good" you just need gold to buy, emm... Lore?? so actually you can only repeat the same mission, get gold, buy lore, rank up and be a total noob with high rank. I prefer to spend the money buyig the character i like, witch also give you ranks for doing nothing.
Unless you are playing as a antagonist, there you actually need some skill to kill other players.
Correct me if im wrong.
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No you're right for the most part. Playing as Antagonist, you will eventually get some of the best players on your respective platform and that means you need to be damn amazing and creative. You should watch and learn what Antagonists do because eventually you will be using such dirty tricks. Alternatively, you can play very honorably but I'm not sure what that honestly entails when it's already 4 vs 1 and you can't control hardly anything. As I stated elsewhere, part of why I play Antagonist is because it continues to push me to become a better player and this bleeds into my time as a Raider because I watch both what other Antagonists do as well as remember what I did. Fair warning, try not to take the PVP too serious as it is just a game but that said everyone is bound to get a bit upset when things don't pan out as they expected...
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We're discouraged from naming names
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Rank is still a valid way to tell who's a "noob" or not, a Lv0 has nothing meaning they are obviously gonna be new to the game. It's not said in a derogatory way, just a way to say "hey this is a new player".
Semantics.
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Rank is still a valid way to tell who's a "noob" or not, a Lv0 has nothing meaning they are obviously gonna be new to the game. It's not said in a derogatory way, just a way to say "hey this is a new player".
Semantics.
I guess you are right, i just can't stand that word, for me sounds so despective. You can say newbie and don't sound too bad.
But well lets talk about Lune, i was waiting to the update to maybe the price drop a little to buy her, but i finally decide to buy her.
Its fun to play with her, and now that i have her weapons blueprints im only waithing for the update to bring some new mechanich to build the weapons.
Be a antagonist is not fun for me, even if i only need like 2 wins to obtain the weapons its too much for me :(
I also dont like be pushed to be antagonist just to built the weapons that take me alot of effort to obtain.
If Lune can control the minds of the npc, maybe she should give orders to the controlled npc, like "come here" or "attack that target", it feels a little useless to control a unit who just wanders away while you are surrounded by enemies.
I hope Lune become more popular, so some new skins for her be made, i´m willing to buy one or two.
And sorry for my bad english :)
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Yeah her AI mobs are some of the worst... What you really want is the non-Elite special soldiers because they get way more health and come with... rocket launchers. Really, there is no downside here... they have rocket launchers. They're easiest to obtain on Short Fuse but obviously A Fistful of Sand also works. So, for those missions I do highly recommend her if you want a durable and deadly AI.