They got you covered, dude. You're gonna love the Raid-ar.

Let me quote myself:

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"The plot is deliberatedly not explicit in many ways...
Someone in the studio once told me Spacelords' lore should feel like entering your dad's basement and finding some old, discontinued comic books. Since some of the books are missing, you're invited to imagine what happened in between them.
The new lore injected in the game should feel more like discovering a new comic book in the series, pushing the story forward, instead of someone validating/rejecting the theories you already created while reading the previous ones."

I guess we could say Hans's business is one of those missing books in the collection.

I still love this explanation. Beautiful analogy.

Well It's pretty obvious that the way it is right now the current system isn't beneficial for the new player experience. I understand that you enjoy the way it currently is, but it's not about what you like. It's about what we think would be a positive change that could possibly increase player retention (which the game sorely needs, at least on PC it does). And besides the devs can change their minds whenever they want. In a F2P game like this nothing can be completely set in stone. F2P games need to have the capacity to evolve if they want to survive. As for the whole baby your mentees through out the mission to "increase enjoyment", well I'm not their mother and they don't really learn anything from getting carried and doing nothing.

That..exactly proves my point. You are the one expecting a low level to go out on their own and win and then you get frustrated when you lose? Come on, now.

It is a squad game. There are only 3 other people that you have to work with, I don't think you get that. Because you are saying "No, I don't want to work with the low level, they should just KNOW what to do." then you see the Antagonist whoop their ass and it seems like the first thing you think is "Well, that is unfair. Better remove Antagonists, the core feature of the game, from Mentor Matches. The low level stands no chance!"

It seems like you aren't even trying to be a mentor. You just want the game to be easier.

I mean..seriously. Does this logic actually make sense to you?

Quote from: Power Penguin on December 04, 2018, 03:29:12 AM

Better that they play for 4 hours than leave after their first antag stomping. You can harp all you want on "Oh but it's the spirit of the game, blah blah blah..." all you want, but until the incorporate good communication systems (so you can actually sherpa people through missions effectively) in the game, mentor matches with antag are more of a pain than fun.

Exactly I don't agree with Poh at all. Mentor matches aren't even mentor matches because there isn't any chat to communicate and .... actually mentor on. There is literally no way for me to "take care" of them.

They shouldn't be facing people hundreds of levels above them no matter what. Plain and simple. It's not fair to them.

Yeah and when you try outside of the game to instruct people on the proper way to do something they usually...what? Thank you? Listen to you?  Don't take offense?

Doubtful. Instead I believe covering the gameplay aspects outside of their ability is more efficient. So what if I can tell some lowbie "Hey, dude, there is an Antagonist coming!" if they didn't know what to do with an Antagonist in the game, i.e. look for the Antagonist, then they sure as shit aren't gonna do fuck all to be able to stop them with my warning.

I don't know if you have ever communicated with an average Spacelords player with the in-game chat. I have. They are what you'd expect from your average online gamer type. Mean, rude, offensive, stupid and bossy. I no longer keep my voice chat on because I have run into more than enough nonsense coming my way from people.

I think a lot of your frustrations with Mentor Matches would be solved, Penguin and Lethal, if you started protecting your lowbies a lot more.

Don't let me tell you how to play, of course. But, I don't find eliminating Antagonists from Mentor Matches to mean much. It lessens the game. It makes it easy and it goes against the philosophy of the game design.

It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not, the developers possess the "word of god" in this situation and the quotation I posted is from the front of the website. And countless times Karen or Ojuel or Bert have said that the central concept of this game is the Antagonist feature.

It is not going away no matter how unfair you think it is. Again, maybe you should re-think how you handle Mentor Matches if you find them so frustrating that they require a fundamental change to the game to fix.

Because..I don't see the necessity of such changes. I like Mentor Matches and I like them with Antagonists. The game would be less without this. It would basically be..not the game I treasure.

But, if y'all want an easy win button there are a plethora of games with such conveniences. Warframe comes to mind, pretty much can't lose in that one.

Exactly!! Also if they're not able to be an antag yet, they shouldn't be forced to fight against one. It's totally unfair for them and especially if the antag is in the 100+ range.

At first it sounds like a good progressive idea but it gives a false representation of what the rest of their matches will be like.

I think if an Antagonist enters into a Mentor Match then the difficulty should get a flat-rate debuff depending on the number of below level 10 players that are present. This way high level players aren't given a bunch of bullshit to deal with while they handle the Antagonist, so it is up to those player's skill levels to determine the winner and the low levels can learn the objectives without being bothered too much.

The high level players are responsible for mentoring the low level players. This means dealing with an Antagonist so they don't get butchered by them. If you're not doing this then you are not a good mentor. If you're doing this then you probably don't care too much about Antagonists in Mentor Matches.

This, to me, is the purpose of Mentor Matches. To truly test your skill when the stakes have been raised.

The reward for the Antagonist being better than the the high level Raiders in this instance is they get to feast on the low levels. This should give any high level player motivation to defend them, after all, you are defending your own lives. If you cannot defend against said Antagonist then it is not the game's fault, not the Antagonist's fault and not the low levels fault. It is your fault for not properly preparing for an inevitable Mentor Match.

The whole basis of this game; "Embark on an epic sci-fi, free-to-play adventure. Spacelords is a brand-new take on the shooter genre. Through its 4 vs 1 counter-operative campaign, you experience both sides of the story: Join the Raiders in their fight to free the legendary Broken Planet... or switch sides and fight as the Antagonist alongside the invading hordes!"

What you are suggesting, Lethal, is the wholesale neutering of its core feature to appease people who may not even play past 4 hours either way.

Mentor Matches are exciting because you get to show off in front of new players and when an Antagonist joins in then it is all the better for it.

I take care of my mentees, you should too.

I fought raiders through 4 of Aneska's super moves, and didn't get any kills during them, because they were so weak.

Wow. No joke, that is fucked up. Shit is fucked..still, sucks being an Antagonist.

Just for the one Raider, I'm afraid.

Hubbida hubbida hoo~!

Now this..this has got to be a troll.

Anyway, sweet changes. I like the idea of adding more individuality to the weapons. And now..missiles and shit. Goin' be good.