You say that but people still play the infected mode in Left4Dead 2, even though the game is basically rigged for the infected. Same with fighting games, people don't like to lose but they still go to versus mode to try playing against real people when they get tired of fighting the AI.

The trick is to give people the time to get used to the coop and let them experiment with the mechanics and stages, then let them play the PvP when they're bored of running through the PvE mode with easy.

Indeed...I've always thought they should've restricted being invaded from antags until tier 5 (lv 20), since they lock out being able to antag till lv 10. It's one biggest things they should of changed early on, but welp...it's pointless now...

I'm all for games showing no mercy, throwing players into the wolves and having them learn & fend for themselves, but doing it that way has it's obvious drawbacks.

I played the game yesterday for the first time since the new update. About 5 games and had no such problems. Just a small sample size from my end though. Considering how wonky the game can be (especially after a fresh new patch), I'm not surprised, rough...

I just stop playing long ago.

Just watching patches and updates come and go, full of trash, nothing to make me return to the game, nothing that fix the same old problems... just adding more and more problems.

They just give some candy to players to keep them interested for some weeks until other patch comes and ruin something.

Despite the dumb changes, the game is still fun as hell for me. I just feel super bummed for the newbies and folks at mid game. So absurd the update is called "prizes galore", but folks get anything but...
Good going MSE...a few months down the line, it's only just gonna be me and Angeles playing this game lol if you don't get your s*** together. Love yall and still pumped for Sooma, but the latest update shows once again that yall REALLY lack perspective...

I for one don't mind the new prizes galore reward system...well, atleast on paper. It just needs some (obvious) tweaking. Faction points being universal though? Good! EXP having a cap? Bad!...extremely stupid and pointless decision, but I'm sure MSE will correct that since they don't use game testers and we become the guinea pigs in these horrid experiments...

Just a shame we have to wait weeks (or a month) for patches/fixes. Ah well, I don't play this game everyday, so no skin off my back. Excited for Sooma though, thanks MSE! Good luck with the rest of the lot on these forums tho.


 

I'm curious as to what actually constitutes as a Leaving Penalty.

One night I tried queuing for a match and nobody, not even the CPU controlled AI, connected. It was completely messed up. The Character Select Screen showed nobody and I couldn't even choose a character. By the time I got "into the match" I was staring at the battlefield with nothing on it and it said "Disconnected."

I did what any sane person would do... instead of watching paint dry, I left. Well for doing so, I got a Deserter Penalty.

I got this bug recently...even though you can't doing anything and just staring at the stage as you said, the mission is still happening (atleast for the rest of your party).

You can close and restart the game to enter back in the mission as per usual if it happens again. Unfortunately, you got the penalty, cause by then, the party finished the mission.

Kind of along the same lines...can we have Spacelords PSN avatars (and maybe wallpapers/themes too) down the line?
I wanna rep my BAE Alicia! 

Being killed by some unbalanced broken build is a lot more repulsive than the AI imo.

How? OP "unbalanced broken build " or not, raiders should still win majority of the time. Stupid/beefed up AI just becomes a complete s***show.