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BARRACKS => Suggestions => Topic started by: Marcus4471 on July 28, 2019, 05:47:15 PM
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Other than the fact that can hit with the most damage in the game in one shot, you decided that he can do his stalk ability mid combat? WTF?
This needs to go. The minute any character is locked in a combat situation it should be to the death and a level playing field for all, that is using the combat triangle of grapple, dodge and strike.
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oh today it's harec ?
let me guess it's not one of your main ?
harec is strong, like any other character. and he does not need to be more nerfed than any other character.
you'll have to be prety skilled to aim quickly AND good enough to kill in a flash or to use his ability in cc.
harec needs no more nerf than any other.
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Agreed, spammable stalk is completely unreasonable. I have always said the best way to bring Harec back in line with the rest of the characters is to give him a base minimum cool down to stalk of about 2 to 5 seconds. This would allow counterplay after he stalks. If he doesn't make his shot and has to come back there should be come kind of consequence. Christ, he already has the Executioner card which makes him lethal in CQC after he comes back, but at least when he kills your friend in one punch you have a fair fight on your hands instead of him zipping off into the air to crit bullet on your knee and wound you.
I realize MSE think it's "cool" that Harec can do what he can do, but they have to realize that other characters don't have this level of freedom (perhaps Alicia at the most? but even she has counters and her weapons aren't nearly as lethal). If we are going to have characters like Harec who have the most damaging weapons in the game able to spam stalk then why the hell did we nerf cougar form? Council damage reduction? Hans flight? In other words, all these other characters were brought in line because they were too strong with their abilities but the elephant in the room still sits as the largest aggressor of them all, Stalk spam.
Don't let the Discord trolls attack you. You are right to express your opinion here on the forums. They completely own Discord and so they want to shit on the forums now to. But there are no Admins or Mods here that are biased or that have double standards. You are and should be allowed to speak your mind here about the game.
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I agree, that harec stalk spam needs to stop. If not then they need to make everyone's ability spammable. It's only fair rak should be allowed to spawn as many of his pets as he wants, hans should have unlimited fuel and kuzzman should have infinite blitz traps, etc.
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Thank you level9Drow.
I appreciate that you are able to understand that freedom of speech and expression is sacrosanct. I simply can't understand the simplicity of simply ignoring people. Since I started posting, there have been people on here who have just attacked me constantly, every post I made, to the point I had to ignore them, or face a ban for retaliating to their constant belittling. Sonofoz is one who I've been ignoring for quite some time now. He still can't get it into his head that I am, even though he continually replies to my posts, with reply back from me.
More so, I believe it is vital, for not just the survival of a game, but any industry, to air one's grievances about the game. Complaining is what makes, or breaks a game and people should really try to understand this simple reality. However, many can't. Either devs start listening to their player base or else they'll lose players, it will get a bad name and all the hard work of the game designers, animators, graphic artists, modelers, programmers will end up in the bin, with the game itself. Then of course, reality hits in when the game is earning money, thus the company and it's time to start laying off workers.
It's all about constructive criticism. I don't just post "Your game sucks". I'll let them know all the reasons why.
When you give the highest damaging character in the game the ability to just warp in and out of a battle, whenever they want to, you create a character that's virtually untouchable. Yes, his executioner card is insane, along with some others. When it comes to Harec, his skill is being able to do massive damage with his sniper rifle and therefore should be doing his best to avoid CQC. Giving him a stalk ability, during combat is not the way to go about it. It creates a very unbalance playing field. As for Alicia, well, her special also needs a cooldown too.
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Precisely Tekato. The playing field is very unbalanced at the moment, giving many characters far too much advantage over others. Alicia's special needs a cooldown. So too does Ayana's. They need to sit down and look at the fact that some characters simply have way too much of an advantage over others.
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you're becoming paranoid with this discord thing lvl9... i never put a toe in it... and anyone who does not think as you do is a troll too ? i understand why you love marcus.
tekato, marcus, lvl9, well i guess, with cyberhunted and white bleeder will have the full team of "nerf everything i can't beeeeeat with my maiiiins !!!!"
and as far as i am concerned you can even make harec removed from the game if it pleases you, i don't play it.
moreover 1sec certainly won't be enough, since when he came back he usually punch and/or dodges before he goes back. maybe 2sec.
but you'll always have someone to cry about one or another characters.
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If you don't play the game then why should your feedback be relevant? At least the feedback from us is coming form people who are actually active in the game and add to it's economy. But if I was MSE I would prioritize the opinions of their actual players over the non players.
As for Harec, I've already stated 2 to 5 seconds. And as for Discord, you should go, you'd love it there. And they'd love you there. You'd fit right in with the "git gud" crowd. Just try not to throw up in your own mouth when they start boasting and gloating about destroying new players, forcing and condemning surrenders, and general "salt" they are able to throw around.
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If you don't play the game then why should your feedback be relevant?
if you don't understand when people talks, why your comments should be relevant ?
can you show where i said i don't play the game ?
(it's the pvp whiners wou are mostly saying they don't play anymore but just came here to inform.)
i said i do not play harec...
as main by the way. it happens i plays it time to time, to change. but not enough to be good with him.
so i'm not defending him because i'm playing it. is it clear like that ?
okok we all have understood, they have been mean to you on discord because they desagreed your point of view, so they are bad people. ok, i saw that, you already made 21 topics on the subject exactly as marcus with prizes galore and matchmaking.
As for Harec, I've already stated 2 to 5 seconds.
indeed, my bad.
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Problem with Harec is the difference between mouse and controller players. Then its the ping. and finally his ability, stalk, which has a lots of frames of invincibility and can be spammed. From 5 to 8 seconds of cooldown and the sniper will be balanced in terms of playstyle. Ignis was nerfed, not hard, but you can play around it.
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If you don't play the game then why should your feedback be relevant?
if you don't understand when people talks, why your comments should be relevant ?
can you show where i said i don't play the game ?
(it's the pvp whiners wou are mostly saying they don't play anymore but just came here to inform.)
i said i do not play harec...
as main by the way. it happens i plays it time to time, to change. but not enough to be good with him.
so i'm not defending him because i'm playing it. is it clear like that ?
okok we all have understood, they have been mean to you on discord because they desagreed your point of view, so they are bad people. ok, i saw that, you already made 21 topics on the subject exactly as marcus with prizes galore and matchmaking.
As for Harec, I've already stated 2 to 5 seconds.
indeed, my bad.
You ARE toxic. Marcus was right.
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Thank you level9Drow.
I appreciate that you are able to understand that freedom of speech and expression is sacrosanct. I simply can't understand the simplicity of simply ignoring people. Since I started posting, there have been people on here who have just attacked me constantly, every post I made, to the point I had to ignore them, or face a ban for retaliating to their constant belittling. Sonofoz is one who I've been ignoring for quite some time now. He still can't get it into his head that I am, even though he continually replies to my posts, with reply back from me.
More so, I believe it is vital, for not just the survival of a game, but any industry, to air one's grievances about the game. Complaining is what makes, or breaks a game and people should really try to understand this simple reality. However, many can't. Either devs start listening to their player base or else they'll lose players, it will get a bad name and all the hard work of the game designers, animators, graphic artists, modelers, programmers will end up in the bin, with the game itself. Then of course, reality hits in when the game is earning money, thus the company and it's time to start laying off workers.
It's all about constructive criticism. I don't just post "Your game sucks". I'll let them know all the reasons why.
When you give the highest damaging character in the game the ability to just warp in and out of a battle, whenever they want to, you create a character that's virtually untouchable. Yes, his executioner card is insane, along with some others. When it comes to Harec, his skill is being able to do massive damage with his sniper rifle and therefore should be doing his best to avoid CQC. Giving him a stalk ability, during combat is not the way to go about it. It creates a very unbalance playing field. As for Alicia, well, her special also needs a cooldown too.
Just report him. I did. I positive others are.
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If you don't play the game then why should your feedback be relevant?
if you don't understand when people talks, why your comments should be relevant ?
can you show where i said i don't play the game ?
(it's the pvp whiners wou are mostly saying they don't play anymore but just came here to inform.)
i said i do not play harec...
as main by the way. it happens i plays it time to time, to change. but not enough to be good with him.
so i'm not defending him because i'm playing it. is it clear like that ?
okok we all have understood, they have been mean to you on discord because they desagreed your point of view, so they are bad people. ok, i saw that, you already made 21 topics on the subject exactly as marcus with prizes galore and matchmaking.
As for Harec, I've already stated 2 to 5 seconds.
indeed, my bad.
You ARE toxic. Marcus was right.
oh yeah, and marcus clearly knows is shit in toxicity... ;D
but anyway, at least i'm a reliable teammates. ;)
while you are as toxic here and in game, as every coward quitters. :D
wich still makes me half better than you are 8)
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Our beloved sonofoz had the courage to namedrop me but couldn't even get it right tsk tsk tsk. to add to marcus's problem. this is coming from someone who uses harec, yes even with his base gun I've one shoted antagonists and even grunts. not only that, i was able to stalk with little to no consequences after returning to the spot i stalked from. keep in mind, i had no knowledge of the executioner card so that made things more interesting when i got it. not only is he dangerous when stalking but CQC he's still a threat. why not give up and go about Your business son? why get so upset with someone who's voicing their opinions? lol as i said before, you seem to blow a gasket every time an antagonist is name dropped. harec, doldren, tomorrow you're gonna probably throw a temper tantrum if someone mentions an antagonist shae or mikah? XD
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He could use some cooldown, not gonna change much, good harecs will still one shot ya in the head. You could try to lower MMR to ground like drow. But with how big some of MMR difference matches can be, idk if it would change much. I guess on 20mmr there is more new players antags then vets.
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why get so upset with someone who's voicing their opinions? lol as i said before, you seem to blow a gasket every time an antagonist is name dropped. harec, doldren, tomorrow you're gonna probably throw a temper tantrum if someone mentions an antagonist shae or mikah? XD
ahah cyberhunted, you're such a funny kid. i like you ^^
you know that harec, doldren, shae and other are just character you could play as raider too ? you know that right ?
that's what i'm i doing most of the time by the may.
so if you nerf harc for instance, you are also nerfing raiders who plays harec...
and i could ask you the same handsomefearlesscyberhuntedboss4554, why all of you are so mad when people says that characters needs no nerf ?
you came here all crying for momy because doldren had got you.
at that time little hunted was really mad, and then little hunted learned how to play a little better and little hunted understood he had said bullshit.
because little hunted, as other cry babys, just can stand to lose and, as most of them cant increase their skills, (obviously playing mmr20 against antag 6, skills are not increased...), so they just come here to tell momy to help them by nerfing things. =)
but most of the time, they are just saying bullshit...
so i'll come here to defend any nerf against cry babys because most of the times nerfs are not justified.
for example, most high lvl weapons OS any players or any players in pack but there is always someone to come and cry because this or that weapon kill them...
good example with smokydaisy user who comes to cry about sadhu...
there is no objectivity in your whining, that's why i despise them.
you just whine because you're bad and too lazy to progress, or at least bad losers.
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You should be a comedian, the more you speak. The more i find you laughable at best haha. the question is and should be, who's the one who's whining here? certainly not me. must be you, everytime i see you, you seem to whine more than those you accuse of whining lol. "whaaa! Teh are complaining about me antagonists. whaaa! They said teh should be nerfed!" i find you boring son, you never have anything fun to say, it's Always bad, corny, laughable jokes. that come off as more sad, pathetic than actually worth anyone's energy of taking serious. and no, i sleep just fine, see i have gotten way better than before. Not as you predicated, more like i have studied, observed other players on my team. doldren isn't really a much of a problem anymore. seeing as i now always beat him, and whomever plays him. i love your jokes, you seem pretty well diverse in comedy, maybe you'll just do fine as a stand up comic. maybe, just maybe I'll take you seriously again now run along, your mommy and daddy want you back by supper! XD
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i can see your education is not achieved boy...
first :
the more you speak. The more i find you laughable at best haha.
that's more or less what i said just before to you. that's not the first i see that, i say something to you and boom next comment, you say the same. are you lacking imagination so much you can't even find your own jokes ?
and second you lack vocabulary too.
(and that comes from a non english , so you should worry...)
i do not whine. i state you are useless and incompetents players.
i do not cry about that. i just proves it as a fact...
one more proof is this topic...:
you are so lame you couldn't even realise harec ALREADY has a cooldown. you just have to hurt him when in astral form, even a little. and boom cooldown.
but for that maybe you should have look around to see him... (as the dodge button is also usefull to prevent him to shoot your head...)
"what ? no ! we are are playing "gayme" it's too hard for us..." (i apologize to the gay community for this bad pun)
well, so, keep dying but don't blame harec.
there is fkg good harec there, they are just owning you (or me) because they are better than you ,no matter what. nerf harec they will always find another character to makes you cry...
because it-does-not-comes-from-the-character.
you are capitalist leeches who just play for rewards, looking to be carried by your team.
and they are just playing to be better than you.
so whine all you want, nerf what you want... you'll just keep diying and whining... ;)
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You seem to have some reading comprehension issues lol. Not once did i ever say he needed to be nerfed, i just found it hilarious, and pathetic. XD you get so worked up whenever marcus posts or someone else. so that's why i bring it up, i play to win, to have fun, i couldn't care less about losing a reward nor getting a shit ton of gold. you're embarrassing yourself son, you are all over the place in topic and what you are even talking about lol. you know, all these anger issues and post's could be directed towards sorting out your stuff animals, or examining soggy cheerios that your mummy fixed for you this morning. trust me, you act more and more like a sad little child it's so funny. btw you are seriously wrong lol, harec and can be wounded in astral form. but he's still able to return to the spot he once was and recover. that's if you can take out the large crowd of enemies he's hiding behind, by time he can. once he does, he can easily move to another spot, and pick off raiders easily. keep embarrassing yourself son, I'll keep laughing at every little word you pour out of that mouth of yours 😂😂😂
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Not once did i ever say he needed to be nerfed
oh ok. so you just came to this topics with nothing to say but with an urgent desire to type something. again.
you're making an habit of this...
You seem to have some reading comprehension issues
see ? still using the same kind of arguments i used just before...
typical of not too smart adolescent...
i play to win
"and when i'm not good enough, i come here to whine for a nerf of doldren, cause i'm so narcissist i can't imagine someone with a lower lvl could beat me." :'(
and indeed you're right, if you were good, it wouldn't happened =s
it could have beat your team but you should have still owned him...
too bad for little hunted... :'(
as i said, for me, you are just playing gayme like others suicidal whiners.
harec and can be wounded in astral form. but he's still able to return to the spot he once was and recover
what are you talking about...? wich spot ?? the one on the ground ?? of course he can, since he just goes back to his body... what ? you would like him to be stuck on his wall if you hurt him...? :o
my god... brains must be expensive theses days...
go to bed kid you're saying more and more shit with every new comment...
or stay and laugh, stupid people always laugh of others while they don't understand them, unable to realises that they just know nor understand no shit. and when i said you, it was obvious for anyone above 3yo, that it was a plural... and not you chubbyhunted, you, the kind of crybabys...
anyway, so, you aggreed, harec needs no nerf. so we are done.
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Again lol, you seem to whine and cry far more than me. in fact if i remember, i only made that one doldren post, that's about it. but again, explaining anything to you, is like trying to explain movie or plot line to a 7 year old. everyday i see you on here cry about marcus and whiners. when in reality lol you are what you cry about it's so ironic lol. like i said, you seem to think people are whining, when technically it's called an "opinion" something you fail to understand lol. this is a public forum, people are free to express themselves as long as it's not rude. marcus and the rest are doing that, you? are we like to call toxic. you bitch and moan about people's opinions that it comes off as just plain down sad XD. listen we know you love to kiss the games butt but don't shill, it comes off as desperate. get over it, move on and stop being the hypocrite, that you come off as. you whine and complain just as much as others that you claim to do lol. and i love it, you claim to know how bad i am, but haven't even seen a snippet of my play kills. you know next to nothing hypocrite, that's why i find you plain down sad and embarrassing lol. because you think and assume, but don't know a single thing. again, keep crying lol about people's opinions, I'll watch and laugh my ass as you keep trying so hard to sound cool and smart 😂😂😂
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lol no lol that's just you lol who are unable to use the most simple logic lol (i'm trying to speek like you, but i think i must improve again lol)
"antags are means because i can't defend myself, doldren is OP because i lost a match, harec is OP because he owned me !"
that's whining.
so whining IS an opinion. obviously...
as everything else in fact. that's the point when you speek, you see, nearly everything that everyone says, is their opinions... so when you say that, you just say nothing, like everytime you speek in fact whinerhunted.
so one more time you just said bullshit. welldone.
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you claim to know how bad i am, but haven't even seen a snippet of my play kills.
yeah yeah i'm sure whinerhunted is the best.
"bouhou save me doldren is too op, but i'm such a killer in fact lol".
at least lvl9 is humble.
well, i'm your man, give me your ingame name, a time and map tomorow and invade my game to antag me =)
so i'll see all your killing skills :D
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Sounding more and more like a broken repetitive record. Well done, bravo 👏 have to give it to you for sounding like a walking talking joke. you can whine, and moan about my doldren topic all you want lol. makes no difference nor matter to me what your opinion is of my so called bad, horrible, lame kill skills lol, it's pretty irrelevant to me. and nah, i won't bother wasting my time because in truth id just laugh my ass off at you trying to take me on. your attempts to rile me, provoke me, bait me have been nothing but failure after failure. just like your redundant post's you've countless of times have posted on here about us Big meanie poopie head whiners XD. Your efforts were appreciated but they still are sad to say the least I'll give you a D minus for effort though 😂😂😂
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As far as the main topic is concerned I agree that Harec can use a little nerf like a Cooldown, its a simple enough method. Hell Rak Mayura is getting a nerf in the next patch, but he's just one in the many characters or guns that need to be looked at.
Don't let the Discord trolls attack you.
That came out of nowhere. Is Sonofoz a member of Discord as well (honest question.)
Since I started posting, there have been people on here who have just attacked me constantly
You have a pretty heavy handed approach when discussing something. You obviously know a lot or more than most about gaming but when it comes out on its like you know whats good for others or something, not to mention the fact that you made it clear that your dead set on abandoning your team when things seem like there going to go south.
I'm not hating on you, believe me...it's just seeing you post day in and day out about one thing that frustrated you or another is exhausting to see all the time.
Edit - I want to note I respect your know-how on gaming, your often very informative.
"Problem with Harec is the difference between mouse and controller players."
Oh hell yeah, Harec for players fresh out of Call of Duty is like a wet dream for them lol. Give them a Mouse and Keyboard and even an Unranked Harec who doesn't know how to stalk yet will still mess you up.
You ARE toxic. Marcus was right.
We're all "toxic" at one point or another and some more than others. You might as well own it, Im heavily in favor of MS when discussing things but often hold myself back from saying something too stupid lol.
I saw a guy on the Discord who made a logo for himself saying "Salt Lords". As far as this Forum is concerned we literally can comb through our past post and find a reason to call each other toxic.
Not even 3 months and changing again the Aleph system!
Thats a whole other topic my friend, and we havent even tested it out ourselves. Probably not as bad as it sounds.....probably.
Im probably not going to reply back to this thread cause the point was made and its going know where but again yeah, Harec does need a nerf in some capacity.
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nah, i won't bother wasting my time because in truth id just laugh my ass off at you trying to take me on.
yeah little hunted, it's easier to brag than to act right ?
as i said many times, whiners have no guts.
it is settled then. and maybe you'll consider we are done this time ?
That came out of nowhere. Is Sonofoz a member of Discord as well (honest question.)
absolutly not angeles.
the only things i know about them, i read it on the countless lvl9 topics...
Harec does need a nerf in some capacity.
the only thing i feel abnormal with harec, but maybe that's because i still don't understand something about fighting him, is that he seems to stand far much damage in astral form.
and that, i think, if that's not because something i do wrong, is pretty frustrating.
when in human form sadhu need beetwin 2 and 4 bullets to instant kill him.
in astral form a full barrel just send him back to his body -_-'
and it feels not right. you are aware of you're surrounding, aim before he shoots to OS you, and... nothing, you just wounded him.
i don't really understand why they make him so resilient in astral, but well...
maybe there is a game mechanic i missed to OS him in astral.
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nah, i won't bother wasting my time because in truth id just laugh my ass off at you trying to take me on.
yeah little hunted, it's easier to brag than to act right ?
as i said many times, whiners have no guts.
it is settled then. and maybe you'll consider we are done this time ?
That came out of nowhere. Is Sonofoz a member of Discord as well (honest question.)
absolutly not angeles.
the only things i know about them, i read it on the countless lvl9 topics...
Harec does need a nerf in some capacity.
the only thing i feel abnormal with harec, but maybe that's because i still don't understand something about fighting him, is that he seems to stand far much damage in astral form.
and that, i think, if that's not because something i do wrong, is pretty frustrating.
when in human form sadhu need beetwin 2 and 4 bullets to instant kill him.
in astral form a full barrel just send him back to his body -_-'
and it feels not right. you are aware of you're surrounding, aim before he shoots to OS you, and... nothing, you just wounded him.
i don't really understand why they make him so resilient in astral, but well...
maybe there is a game mechanic i missed to OS him in astral.
Nah more like i won't give this sad troll the sad fight he longs for. i would, but like i previously stated, i won't be wasting my time because you are a waste of time lol. that's big bad talk for such a little troll like yourself, maybe you wanna look in the mirror buddy. you've been whining this whole time and it hasn't amounted to anything but complete laughter at you. you seem to fail at understanding criticism and an opinion. what marcus said is both an opinion and criticism, something that seems to slip past your delusional world you live in. even when people, like myself has played harec both as a raider and as antagonist. he's bit op, and that's why people are criticizing his stalk ability, he can not only stalk from a wall, but CQC in combat, finish a player off with shot then return and completely dominate them within seconds. What you fail to realize, even against a new team of rank 6 players. only adds a dimension of unbalance to his ability and weapons. i have seen, and witness this countless of times. Newbies who aren't even familiar with game are left confused and frustrated when killed over and over again by harec without even being able to punish properly. yes it takes a well good, organized team, sadly the people I've played with are too distracted to even form a strategy before being downed by either mobs of enemies or the antagonist themselves. again lol you are lost in this delusional world of yours that he's not a bit over powered? Wake up lol
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Nah more like i won't give this sad troll the sad fight he longs for.
in my country we call that useless coward excuses.
don't worry boy, as i said, it's settled.
anyway, i'll take no glory in beating (again) your adolescent ass untill you rage quit.
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Oooo so fiesty, sounds like you are taking it a bit more personal than i expected lol. it's okay, we know you want to but couldn't. Btw we now admit to being a liar i see? XD
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personnally ? nope, just proving you are all bloat but empty. ::)
want but couldn't what ?
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Couldn't beat me, but again I'll leave you to your little delusional world you seem to live in. wouldn't want to get as laughable as you as you are making yourself out to be XD. btw you are gonna have to try harder, there's trolls that outdo in every way.
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Couldn't beat me
you said the exact OPPOSITE thing on another topic... you'll have to decide yourself.
and if i couldn't have beat you, you wouldn't so afraid. do you really think you are cheating someone with your petty excuses, coward...?
well off topic again.
as i said twice before, it's settled chickenhunted.
if you are such a chicken hearted player with such feable ego that you can't stand to try the skill you are bragging about in a simple match, i think we all know the reason, even if you are trying to convince yourself of the contrary...
so, have a good day
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Hi everyone,
I have finished reading all the comments posted during the weekend and I'd like to shed some light on different topics.
In this case, there are always different opinions regarding characters, abilities and whether they are OP or not. As you know, we are always balacing characters, specially the last weeks since we are releasing a lot of updates including both changes and fixes.
As I commented some time ago on another thread, Level9Drow, we are NOT biased, we don't prioritize the Discord channel over the forum. So please stop making accusations. All constructive criticism is relevant and all your opinions are valid.
I'm closing this thread to avoid more toxicity and, since there are a lot of topics to discuss, I'll be answering in other threads as well.
Thank you.