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BARRACKS => Gameplay Feedback => Topic started by: Daimien06660 on July 11, 2019, 05:44:14 AM
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Over the past few days I have been coming across an increasing number of “players” that seem to find it more fun to be on the Raiders team as an Antag than just queuing up as one.
Not 5 min before writing this post I had to “players” one on PC and one on Xbox (I play on Xbox) load in “The Beast’s Lair” (presently the hardest mission I have in my opinion {I’m level 37}). The Xbox player quits about a min. later comes back stands in spawn and repeatedly votes to surrender. The PC “player” just stands there dancing so me and the 4th player 2 man the whole first part. Then we get to the boss fight the two “players” in question proceed to repeatedly just spawn and RUN OFF THE SIDE OF THE MAP!!!!!!!!!
Sorry I did mean to yell there. But I have been encountering more people doing things like this and more like taking the sphere in “A weapon from the past” and chasing teammates around to kill them, using the bombs in “Short-Fused” to team kill, walking off the map on “”In Medias Res” with both the encoder and Schnider, and lets not forget team killing with the crystal drop system.
Most to all of this happens to me daily to the point that I cannot even complain about getting matched up with Antags that are so Overpowered in comparison to me that I vote to quit or leave and play a different game entirely. I mean is it at all fair to have a player that is over 50-100 levels above you attacking you. No no it is not. I had one of my friends invade on me (he’s level 150 at the time I was 25) and he was killing all of us in 3-5 bullets with Konstanin he just let us win after the ship left and we got more revives because and I quote “ It just isn’t any fun if they can’t even get a chance to shoot back”
So, to get to the point(s). vote to kick? That might not be a good idea instead how about a reporting option for finding and punishing “players” trolling, or making the player lives personal or putting s system in place that detects aberrant “players” and replaces them with a bot of the person they were using? I’ve seen things like that in other games.
And the badly mismatched Antags could be fixed if you nerf them or buff us to match them. There are some missions where if the Antag is playing “Valeria” for example you cannot win. Cough Cough “The Beast’s Lair” bridge part Cough Cough. So, I hope someone(s) sees this and considers some of the suggestions I or if other people add on to this theirs too.
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how is the ping. if there's a bad conection i dont' blame people for throwing. Also if there's an antag some people just don't want to play against antag so they throw. That's why this forced PvP thing doesn't work. People will just throw.
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There are 2 scenarios where throwing a match (if voting for surrender failed) is justified, unplayable ping and antag invasions (since players can’t queue out of them).
Considering we now have the Cortez bros and they refuse to add a queue without antags, they should just remove the leaver penalty so ppl don’t get trapped in matches and have to resort to throwing.
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Spacelords already had the worst throwing problem of any game I ever played. And then after the Identity update the antag frequency increased more, and throwing got even worse.
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I don’t believe throwing matches to be acceptable for any reason. I’d recommend recording evidence and sending it to mercury steam via email.
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I haven't had that problem for quite a while, but I encountered it too.
To all the people thinking that throwing (willfully loosing) a match is acceptable, I ask: why not leave?
If my ping is way too bad (or I don't have fun for another reason), I offer a surrender, if it's not accepted, I leave and take a 20 min. break or something.
Leaving is not nice and may make it extremely difficult, if not impossible to win, but throwing a match is rude, which is worse in my opinion.
Anyway, yes, please record, report and hope for them to get week-long bans.
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Week long bans, as if MSE is going to bother with looking through reports. Shrink the tiny player pool even more. Of course don't fix the improper match making that is causing the throwing. Or the weak 2nd protector dev admitted brokenness causing the throwing. And no dedicated servers with 3rd world potato internet hosts. Spend the whole fiscal year budget on an actress likeness instead. I don't know how anyone cannot see this, but they are just trying to squeeze out as much money as fast as they can before they move onto the next project. Having a robust community of players in 3 years in not something they are working towards. look at actions, not words. They think capping farmers is going to cause them to buy gold and exp boost, but it will just cause them to play another game.
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Over the past few days I have been coming across an increasing number of “players” that seem to find it more fun to be on the Raiders team as an Antag than just queuing up as one.
Not 5 min before writing this post I had to “players” one on PC and one on Xbox (I play on Xbox) load in “The Beast’s Lair” (presently the hardest mission I have in my opinion {I’m level 37}). The Xbox player quits about a min. later comes back stands in spawn and repeatedly votes to surrender. The PC “player” just stands there dancing so me and the 4th player 2 man the whole first part. Then we get to the boss fight the two “players” in question proceed to repeatedly just spawn and RUN OFF THE SIDE OF THE MAP!!!!!!!!!
Sorry I did mean to yell there. But I have been encountering more people doing things like this and more like taking the sphere in “A weapon from the past” and chasing teammates around to kill them, using the bombs in “Short-Fused” to team kill, walking off the map on “”In Medias Res” with both the encoder and Schnider, and lets not forget team killing with the crystal drop system.
Most to all of this happens to me daily to the point that I cannot even complain about getting matched up with Antags that are so Overpowered in comparison to me that I vote to quit or leave and play a different game entirely. I mean is it at all fair to have a player that is over 50-100 levels above you attacking you. No no it is not. I had one of my friends invade on me (he’s level 150 at the time I was 25) and he was killing all of us in 3-5 bullets with Konstanin he just let us win after the ship left and we got more revives because and I quote “ It just isn’t any fun if they can’t even get a chance to shoot back”
So, to get to the point(s). vote to kick? That might not be a good idea instead how about a reporting option for finding and punishing “players” trolling, or making the player lives personal or putting s system in place that detects aberrant “players” and replaces them with a bot of the person they were using? I’ve seen things like that in other games.
And the badly mismatched Antags could be fixed if you nerf them or buff us to match them. There are some missions where if the Antag is playing “Valeria” for example you cannot win. Cough Cough “The Beast’s Lair” bridge part Cough Cough. So, I hope someone(s) sees this and considers some of the suggestions I or if other people add on to this theirs too.
Hi there! :)
Some other others behaviours are more difficult to detect, but we do have a system that analyzes matches, looking for "excessively" suicidal behaviours. The system punishes this kind of players by banning them temporally.
When it comes to Aleph Drops, team killing shouldn't be a thing, since a gem can't harm people from the same team that initially ignited it. If you ever saw an Aleph Gem that that you (or your allies) ignited performing damage to you (or to your allies), please let us know, since it'd be a bug for us to fix. :)
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To all the people thinking that throwing (willfully loosing) a match is acceptable, I ask: why not leave?
If my ping is way too bad (or I don't have fun for another reason), I offer a surrender, if it's not accepted, I leave and take a 20 min. break or something.
Because of the leaver penalty, matches that merit throwing occur way to often for leaving and taking a 20 min break to be feasible, making throwing the only option if you want to get back into a good match in a timely manner (if surrendering failed ofc).
Week long bans, as if MSE is going to bother with looking through reports. Shrink the tiny player pool even more. Of course don't fix the improper match making that is causing the throwing. Or the weak 2nd protector dev admitted brokenness causing the throwing. And no dedicated servers with 3rd world potato internet hosts. Spend the whole fiscal year budget on an actress likeness instead. I don't know how anyone cannot see this, but they are just trying to squeeze out as much money as fast as they can before they move onto the next project. Having a robust community of players in 3 years in not something they are working towards. look at actions, not words. They think capping farmers is going to cause them to buy gold and exp boost, but it will just cause them to play another game.
Pretty well summed up, it doesn’t seem like there’s much interest in solving issues that cause ppl to throw matches. The hardest issue to tackle would be lag, setting up servers doesn’t seem to be an option considering the low player base (even though the low population is probably because of their stubbornness in certain features to begin with…), even so, private matches could alleviate the issue of bad ping for some, since it would allow premade groups of 2-3 players that know they have a good enough connection between each other, to start matches right away and have some relatively lag free matches, filling unused spots with Cortez bros. All other issues not related to lag that cause throwing could be easily fixed though, so not much excuse there.
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1. With the new rewards system, why would anyone want to sink a mission? You only get 5 chances a day to get rewards so by losing there goes a chance to get gains. Dunno why, probly just trolling, the worst kind.
2. Why do people always try to keep going after someone votes to surrender? People always complain how hard the match is when raiders aren't contributing, but they still choose to struggle with an unwinnable match. They can just take the hint and end it and get on to the next match with a different group.
If someone votes to surrender it's because they don't want to play the match for whatever reason. They have already expressed their intention to not play. If you decide to press on, especially when the odds to win are so low and it takes a half hour just to still lose, it's on you.
That being said, the system is broken. These things wouldn't happen if the matchmaking and balancing wasn't terrible.
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Week long bans, as if MSE is going to bother with looking through reports. Shrink the tiny player pool even more. Of course don't fix the improper match making that is causing the throwing. Or the weak 2nd protector dev admitted brokenness causing the throwing. And no dedicated servers with 3rd world potato internet hosts. Spend the whole fiscal year budget on an actress likeness instead. I don't know how anyone cannot see this, but they are just trying to squeeze out as much money as fast as they can before they move onto the next project. Having a robust community of players in 3 years in not something they are working towards. look at actions, not words. They think capping farmers is going to cause them to buy gold and exp boost, but it will just cause them to play another game.
Good post and completely agree.
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Why would people throw a match? Well how about trying to get it through the thick heads of the players, LOSING THE GAME, that they can't win it, regardless?
I asked continually to throw a match. It was the rescue Shae mission (sorry I can't remember what it's called 'In Shock' maybe?). I'm a Tier 1, Rank 3 player, in a team of complete beginners, something like 2 rank 6's and no rank. We were up against a very good, Tier 1, rank 1, Ayana who was wrecking them with her super. The shuttle had already had to go back to get more Aleph and they'd only managed to take out two/three tentacles. We still had the moving Hydra, to deal with and of course Kuzman. There was no way we were going to survive that mission. I was, but they weren't and there was no way I was going to be able to take out the tentacles on my own, before the Antagonist had wiped the floor clean with suicidal, headless-chicken, team mates.
Then there's also the situation where you've got a 999 red bar rating, server connection. You know the one, watching team mates walk off the edge of a platform across and invisible bridge? And then of course taking 5 seconds to throw a punch.
I get it that people are probably playing for a BP and even worse, second and last chance playing for the BP in the pot award chance, but still, when a game's already lost/terrible connection, there's no point in continuing. This is something that MS have to sort out. Before the horrendous July 2nd update and its successor, blueprints stayed until you won them. Now, not only are you getting one BP opportunity a day, compared to at least 4 and a rare, there's a high chance of losing it completely.
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I have video evidence of someone pulling this same shit. And i know his ping was fine because he would just wait for the antag in one spot and grab when she came close enough. Im getting sick of being roped into PVP in a game not suited for it only to be punished for trying. I just want to play this stupid game. I dont want to PvP anyone. Wtf Mercury.
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There are 2 scenarios where throwing a match (if voting for surrender failed) is justified
no, there is not.
exept for selfish useless players.
just quit if ping prevent you to play but people don't want to surrend.
I just want to play this stupid game. I dont want to PvP anyone.
but this stupid game IS an asymetric pvp one...
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There are 2 scenarios where throwing a match (if voting for surrender failed) is justified
no, there is not.
exept for selfish useless players.
just quit if ping prevent you to play but people don't want to surrend.
Hold on a minute here.
Why should someone suffering from a terrible connection, for example, quit, lose MMR rating and be penalised, when the team could surrender? Why should someone, in a team, who's calling for a surrender because his team are dropping like flies and who hasn't died once, be penalised and again lose MMR rating?
When you're in a mission and on the first stage of three, with Cortez already having had to go back for more aleph, who's being selfish here - the crap team who are dieing or the player not dieing and calling for a surrender?
I think you have your priorities wrong her bud. Selfish players, in my opinion, are the ones who are ruining the game for other players, because they're incapable of surviving and dieing too much. Their deaths are actively contributing to sudden death play, meaning game over. And worse, they won't surrender, to quickly move on, but wait until everyone's died and the mission has failed.
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Why should someone suffering from a terrible connection, for example, quit, lose MMR rating and be penalised, when the team could surrender?
- because maybe their own ping is not bad and they can make it, even without you.
- because everyone don't have to be a selfish useless team mate.
- because there is no fckg suffering in quiting a game, if 5minutes of your life are so precious, don't lose it on video games.
- because it's the definition of greater good : if it must have suffuring, so chose that the few suffers for the good of a majority and not the contrary.
Selfish players, in my opinion, are the ones who are ruining the game for other players
yes, and that's exactly what maniac surrenderers, no reason quitters and suicidal players are doing to others : ruining their games.
but selfish capitalist can't understand that. =)
they think their pleasure and wining are the priority of everyone.
"omg ! i won't have my best score on this match, EVERYONE don't be selfish, surrender ! don't make me lose time, even if it's your BP or chest mission, who cares ??? I AM LOSING TIME AND NOT ENJOYING IT ! DON'T BE SELFISH !!"
yeah, you're right, that's certainly a good way to see things... =)
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yes, and that's exactly what maniac surrenderers, no reason quitters and suicidal players are doing to others : ruining their games.
but selfish capitalist can't understand that. =)
they think their pleasure and wining are the priority of everyone.
"omg ! i won't have my best score on this match, EVERYONE don't be selfish, surrender ! don't make me lose time, even if it's your BP or chest mission, who cares ??? I AM LOSING TIME AND NOT ENJOYING IT ! DON'T BE SELFISH !!"
You're right, with the new update you'll lose the treasure if you quit anyway(either by leaving or surrendering), so trying your best to carry low rank teammates is the best option for now.
In this game we're all in the same sinking boat, only the players can help themselves.
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I don't quit dailies. I will pretty much 90% of the rest though. Why? As stated before bad MMR, terrible teams who run around like chickens and red server connections.
Today I lost the Double Agent mission. I was the leader. There was no order however to shoot the flower. There was a Hive antagonist running around killing my team. Schneider went up to the platform, to drop the crystal, I loaded aleph to make the flower appear. I kept shooting at the flower but my Loaht Dragée weapon couldn't hit it. I repeatedly asked for help. The timer counted down. My team shot at Schneider, got killed by the Antag. Cortez went off for Aleph (second run). I kept shouting for help, frantically jumping about, timer went down and I got killed by the Antag and BOOM, crystal fell, game over.
That was a T2, R6, R6 & R5 team. Another of the low ranking T2 matches I played today. It was a daily I never quit but lost half the award to the pot. Had it not, I'd certainly have quit, in the first stage, after Crtez went for aleph and asked tye team to surrender three times.
They made the dailies and pot to PURPOSEFULLY stop people from quitting. But now with a low player pool, MMR is a joke and there will be more quitting.
I play this game SOLELY for my enjoyment. Yes I am selfish and? Having to play with noobs, who don't follow orders, in grossly unfair matchmaking and at times, red connections IS NOT MY IDEA OF FUN.
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And moreso, quitting matches is dropping my MMR. At least, in doing so I'm dropping match difficulty and thereby helping the T2 R6 and unranked players in having an easier game.
From what I've seen, because of prizes galore, awards are now fixed meaning the same payouts for people on 60 or 20 MMR.
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I don't quit dailies. I will pretty much 90% of the rest though. Why? As stated before bad MMR, terrible teams who run around like chickens and red server connections.
They made the dailies and pot to PURPOSEFULLY stop people from quitting. But now with a low player pool, MMR is a joke and there will be more quitting.
I play this game SOLELY for my enjoyment. Yes I am selfish and? Having to play with noobs, who don't follow orders, in grossly unfair matchmaking and at times, red connections IS NOT MY IDEA OF FUN.
Why do you quit matches that aren't daily or pots? Even if you lose them the gold difference will still go to the pot, and your MMR will lower too, so it will make the upcoming matches easier.
I understand the situation since I lost thousands of gold in pot and daily matches by either players who didn't know how to play or high ping, but this is a team based game, if you'll enter matches just to raise the MMR for newbies then quit, you better not playing it at all. If you want enjoyment without thinking of others, you either play single player, or competitive games which don't have teams, like fighting games.
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MeleeMaster,
Lowering my MMR isn't a problem. In doing so I'll not make matches harder when matchmaking lumps me in a game with T2 R6 and unranked teams.
With the prizes galore, all awards are the same regardless of MMR rating.
I've nearly got all characters and soon my platinum after that. When that happens I'll be deleting Spacelords for good.
When a game is lost it's lost. Take today for example. Excluding dailies I played about 10. Of those I quit about 5. I was in another, usual, 2x T2 R6 and a T2 R5 on final 5th Council mission. No Alien faction teammates and BOOM in comes a T1 R1 antagonist. The game started and it was Alicia. NO WAY ON THIS EARTH was I going to be target practice for her and able to do diddly squat to combat her. It's a maze. Plenty of obstacles to keep her airborne while she reigns death down. I proposed a surrender. They chose play on and I instantly quit. It wouldn't matter if the match level was 100 or 10, as they'd lost the minute the Antag was revealed. I went off and read a book. I checked back about 6 minutes later and I was in a game penalty. Either Alicia had destroyed them or they'd seen sense and surrendered. Nothing I could have done to combat her.
Until MSE sort out their utterly attrocious matchmaking, I will continue quitting bad matchups. This is my only form of protest. I'm sick & tired of going into missions with players 150 levels below me.
P.S. The daily pot is irrelevent. There's no guarantee of winning it and losses are far more likely with the dreadful matchmaking and antagonist thrown in. On average I've probably got 7-10k in it. If I lose, with bounty weapon equipped, I'll probably get a third to a half back.
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Yes I am selfish and?
well... first you said just some post before that you thought that selfish players were ruining the game for other players... so i'll let you make your own deductions ;)
moreover selfish people don't deserve respect nor pity nor anything since they think only to their little pleasure, and won't give pity or respect to others if they have nothing to gain in doing it.
for example you are pestering against MSE who think only to their wallet and decrease players rewards in order players pay more to progress.
stop pestering :
well, they are "selfish" (they still provide a free game though), just as you are selfish, why should they care about your opinion/feeling if they succeed in making money with this strategy ?
seriously marcus, how can we give credit to someone wich give no fuck to others (in a coop/pvp game...) but still comes to whine because others break his fun while he's the first who absolutly don't care about others fun ?
so, ok, i understand your point wich is : "mse, find a way for everyone to have fun."
that's impossible.
for example, you are the one who comes and tell i quit when i want and it's ok cause i want to !
and in another topic you come to whine about quitters who break your game...
(because when it is not you who quit, it's absolutly not the same and it's a crime.)
so you'll never be pleased.
that's all the paradox with selfishness. you consider you can do shit to other because you want to, but absolutly don't want other to do the same to you.
-> so no credit nor respect deserved...
but you could have been an excellent french cop or french politician.
And moreso, quitting matches is dropping my MMR. At least, in doing so I'm dropping match difficulty and thereby helping the T2 R6 and unranked players in having an easier game.
no, as far as i know once the character selection is launched, the mission difficulty is set and won't change until the mission ends.
but this is a team based game, if you'll enter matches just to raise the MMR for newbies then quit, you better not playing it at all. If you want enjoyment without thinking of others, you either play single player, or competitive games which don't have teams, like fighting games.
absolutly
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sonofoz,
I'll ignore you and you me - sorted. Tell me your ingame handle so I can leave the second I see your name?
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man you just said you are leaving 50% of your match...
Take today for example. Excluding dailies I played about 10. Of those I quit about 5.
so it certainly won't change anything if you see me or not, you'll leave anyway if you think your teamates can't carry you...
parasites do the same.
they attach to things who can feed them until it has nothing more to give and then they let it die and change.
hm... in fact, capitalists do that to.
anyway, feel free to block me if we ever encounter, and be assured i'll do it.
i don't want to play with people like you.
I kept shooting at the flower but my Loaht Dragée weapon couldn't hit it
seriously, you are the only high lvl player, and you don't take a character able to shoot the flower ?
i encountered lot of T1 players who didn't know that (and yes it's pathetic) so maybe it's not so surprising that R6 and 5 who have certainly never played the mission before and are already struggling against AI don't know that they have to shoot this flower... (even if there is a warning about it, but when you are focus on not dying, you don't really look at this kind of messages)
so you're the only one to blame if the mission was lost.
not them. just you.
there behavior is no surprise. yours lead the team to failure.
so maybe you should try to play by yourself more than waiting for team to carry you.
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Lowering my MMR isn't a problem. In doing so I'll not make matches harder when matchmaking lumps me in a game with T2 R6 and unranked teams.
With the prizes galore, all awards are the same regardless of MMR rating.
Lowering MMR is good because if a high ranked antagonist invades you chances are their MMR is also high, which will make the mission difficulty lower. It's way easier to counter an antag if you don't need to worry about mobs.
P.S. The daily pot is irrelevent. There's no guarantee of winning it and losses are far more likely with the dreadful matchmaking and antagonist thrown in. On average I've probably got 7-10k in it. If I lose, with bounty weapon equipped, I'll probably get a third to a half back.
The chances that you'll get robbed of your rewards are there but the chance of getting 8k in one match makes it far from irrelevant.
I was in another, usual, 2x T2 R6 and a T2 R5 on final 5th Council mission. No Alien faction teammates and BOOM in comes a T1 R1 antagonist. The game started and it was Alicia. NO WAY ON THIS EARTH was I going to be target practice for her and able to do diddly squat to combat her. It's a maze. Plenty of obstacles to keep her airborne while she reigns death down. I proposed a surrender. They chose play on and I instantly quit. It wouldn't matter if the match level was 100 or 10, as they'd lost the minute the Antag was revealed. I went off and read a book. I checked back about 6 minutes later and I was in a game penalty. Either Alicia had destroyed them or they'd seen sense and surrendered. Nothing I could have done to combat her.
Until MSE sort out their utterly attrocious matchmaking, I will continue quitting bad matchups. This is my only form of protest. I'm sick & tired of going into missions with players 150 levels below me.
What if one of those people were trying to get a blueprint? Will they get screwed just because you're affraid of trying playing the game? Which character did you chose by the way? Why are you queuing for a hard match in "Mind Over Matter", or any 5th Council stage, if you'll quit in the first sign of challenge?
When a game is lost it's lost. Take today for example. Excluding dailies I played about 10. Of those I quit about 5.
You're a bad loser. Can't win every game, you should know this by now.
I've nearly got all characters and soon my platinum after that. When that happens I'll be deleting Spacelords for good.
Cool, hope you're getting it as soon as possible.
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Quiting dont change difficulty. It stays the way it is, when you all load into character selected screen.
Best antaging go to 70% and quit on tier 5-6.
Im joking, that shit thing to do.