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BARRACKS => Gameplay Feedback => Topic started by: Whatever on May 08, 2019, 03:32:29 AM
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It should be automatically collected, like before, but with the excess left for others to pick up.
Leaving excess is helpful, leaving it all is annoying.
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I thought that too but, even if you had a full stack it was still vital to get aleph for heals.
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Oh my God the elites can pick up the aleph. Fix, please, please just drop this mechanic.
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The more I play with this mechanic the more annoying it is. There is a really good idea here but the implementation is not good in its current state.
Auto pick up of things you need, or even a wider collection radius is probably a better option.
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Then it's just the old system with an arbitrary delay and a hard cap on survivability.
It's all well and good to say it sucks but there really needs to be a detailed breakdown of why so people can't just say we're being stubborn to adapt.
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I don’t want to appear stubborn here as I’m very much on board with the change and think the idea as a whole is great.
However I don’t think in its current incarnation it adds to the game. Having to whip around and look for the location of the drops, like I’ve had to do with Ansekas batteries isn’t great and doesn’t make the game flow better.
There is also the argument that I’ve not really given this enough of a chance - fair as it’s only been out for a short while - but my initial reaction to the implementation, not the idea, is that it’s not going to make the game more fun.
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the drop adds more difficulty than help to the game. However difficulty is not necessarily bad.
Pros: Other players can collect it, if you want the Rak to really have his 5 aleph. Similar with bullets. The Antag can profit, mainly from bullets.
Cons: Is disturbs the flow of the fight if you have to stick behind to gather that aleph. I often wished I could rush into the next fight but remembered that I had to gather that aleph.
I would also favour only excess to be around but can accept that this is adds other interesting factors to the game.
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I played a bunch of missions now, and I must say I really HATE this new aleph collecting! It's BAD because it totally breaks the flow of the game, everytime you have to look around for the Aleph drop! And others can steal it from you (elite/ raiders). And no one can deny that this mechanic in the current state is worse than before (no one can say I'm stubborn, but this mechanic is just bad implemented right now).
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
Auto-take what you need on ammo an leave the rest on the field, but totally revert back the old aleph collecting (for healing purpose too!).
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Yes absolutely. The 'drop excess' compromise is going to de incentivize 5 stacks from taking risks. Why would you go I after that elite surrounded by ads if you know they're going to cap your ass as soon as you're done? The k/d ratio is not good when your ability to chain is gone.
Also, the main complaint I'm seeing here is that it breaks flow. IMO this game's main appeal is it's flow, kind of like Mario 64. When you get into the zone it's just insane the shit you can pull off.
The flow is why I come back, why I stayed. Take away the flow and this game is just grind and overlong transitions. I mean since they decided against leaning into tactical coordination.
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Yes absolutely. The 'drop excess' compromise is going to de incentivize 5 stacks from taking risks. Why would you go I after that elite surrounded by ads if you know they're going to cap your ass as soon as you're done? The k/d ratio is not good when your ability to chain is gone.
Huh? 5 stacks were already killing elites already before.
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Yes. Before they could get aleph and full health even at 5 stacks from a cqc kill on elites. Now you canot get aleph at 5 stacks which means no full heal. If I'm wrong, and cqc kills on elites/antags still grant health even if the raiders cannot pick up the aleph; then I will be glad to know that. But as far as I know aleph = heal and 5 stacks cannot pick up aleph.
Therefore changing the system to only drop excess aleph will still result in 5 stacks not healing from elite kills. IE if I have a 5 stack I am not motivated to go balls deep because I don't have the safety net of tagging an elite for heals.
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Yes. Before they could get aleph and full health even at 5 stacks from a cqc kill on elites. Now you canot get aleph at 5 stacks which means no full heal. If I'm wrong, and cqc kills on elites/antags still grant health even if the raiders cannot pick up the aleph; then I will be glad to know that. But as far as I know aleph = heal and 5 stacks cannot pick up aleph.
Therefore changing the system to only drop excess aleph will still result in 5 stacks not healing from elite kills. IE if I have a 5 stack I am not motivated to go balls deep because I don't have the safety net of tagging an elite for heals.
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MSE you really have to look into this - this new game mechanic is killing the game for me!
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Wow, this makes enemy within nearly unplayable. Just wow.
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And ok, let's say you are out of ammo and there are two grunts close range to you. You kill one, as the other one wounds you and starts doing the back-peddle out of strike range. now you have to hobble around to get ammo and then reload. There's simply no time, you are dead.
Not only that, the one second the ammo takes to appear is precious time you're wasting in the open, specially if you're playing Locals and there are 3 dudes shooting you at the same time. Sometimes I just leave the ammo crate and run for cover, I even leave Aleph sometimes.
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Hi! :)
I'm so in love with this Roadmap image…
(https://www.spacelordsthegame.com/statics/multimedia/images/2019/03/29/Roadmap02.jpg)
So the thing is when it comes to Aleph & Ammo drops mechanics, we're currently at an experimental phase with those at the moment.
So, while the currently available patch features some remarkable changes you all noticed, truth is there are even more changes coming, probably in either the Team up or die or the Prizes Gallore udpate.
Let's see how you guys like the new stuff. :)
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Hi! :)
I'm so in love with this Roadmap image…
(https://www.spacelordsthegame.com/statics/multimedia/images/2019/03/29/Roadmap02.jpg)
So the thing is when it comes to Aleph & Ammo drops mechanics, we're currently at an experimental phase with those at the moment.
So, while the currently available patch features some remarkable changes you all noticed, truth is there are even more changes coming, probably in either the Team up or die or the Prizes Gallore udpate.
Let's see how you guys like the new stuff. :)
Soooo... most of the community is telling you they don't like/enjoy this change but you devs still want to waste more precious time on this new system?
What I meant is we're evolving the system into something different to its current state.
So, people who don't like the system as it is will be able to try something different (and hopefuly, better) when coming updates kick in. :)
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What I meant is we're evolving the system into something different to its current state.
So, people who don't like the system as it is will be able to try something different (and hopefuly, better) when the next update kicks in. :)
Ok, "evolve the system into something different" (if you want/need to), but first revert the aleph collecting back to the state before the update (keep the ammo drops if you insist), because otherwise we have to deal with this aleph-nonsense for the next couple of months! :-\ :'( :o
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RIP. In 4-6 months there is a 5% chance this might get fixed. They say they are basing thier updates on community feedback while the refuse to acknowledge said feedback. Then they say their changes aren't nessessarily predicated on perceived faults. Then when confronted about a specific fault, they say they are going to do something at some point, but not anything related to the discussion.
It's the same story everytime; if it's not an outright glitch, they just say "they're going to be changes" and just do thier own thing regardless. Between the devs responses and half the community complaining about people being turned off, this is just destined to go nowhere.
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Yes they always keep saying the changes are based on community feedback, but I haven't heard or read anywhere that anyone would have wished this bad Aleph collection method, that we have right now.
I'm not saying that they shouldn't change or improve the game, if something doesn't work well - but it worked great the way it was? So, why change it to the worse?
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Let me quote myself from another post: "I'd also like to clarify that gathering and reading community feedback is a really important part of our development process indeed, but not the only thing that guides it.
We're constantly improving, changing and developing new systems, even when people may not be actively complaining about the existance/lack of any of them."
Going back to the main topic here, the dropable Aleph & ammo items, we are definitely in an experimental mindset, with nothing being set in stone at the moment.
One thing is for sure, though: as soon as we are able to go on detail about a future update's changes we'll let you know. :)
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Thanks for your reply MSE_Ojuel, I am not really satisfied with the current aleph drop system in the game and I do not enjoy playing it so much anymore, but of course I like the game as a whole I'm looking forward and I hope the game will change again for the better in the near future.