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SPACELORDS COMMUNITY => Spacelords Universe => Topic started by: AllMostOliver on January 16, 2018, 04:34:27 PM
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Hell's Yeah! They did it,
a skin for 9000/75Euro
Ain't that amazing!
when they said they would Change the economy of the game?
it's for Ginebra btw (https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/363386028633096192/402826672254091274/20180116150828_1.jpg?width=788&height=444)
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Jesus on a crutch I didn't think it could get any worse. It's a cool looking skin but DAMN SON THAT'S A LOT.
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i'm just going to fain ignorance and say this has to be an error. It'll be looked into soon, i'm sure.
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Jesus christ! When I saw the announcement on the twitter account I just rushed to the game. I though you know what? It looks cool if its around 1000 - 1750 MP i'll gladly buy it, its almost a re-skin (No offense to the 3d artists but is not on pair with Shae's rare costume for example). it can't be that expensive..
I was hesitant for a moment, then after a long pause I went in. When I saw the 9000 tag I just laughed, I couldn't help it. I'aint even mad.
I'll keep playing the game till the end of times is one of the best games I've played in years.
No bullshit mechanics, "engaging story" (which is great btw along with the chemistry between characters) or another indie artsy fartsy pixelated eye sore.
Having said that...Seriously? 9000 hope it really is a bug or some sort of trolling. I can just imagine the head honchos at mercury steam laughing their ass off while they eat caviar in an ivory tower or something. 9000???!!!!
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If they don't erase the last digit, because it was a mistake, then they have clearly lost it. What a shame.
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wtf that's to much money for a skin
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Sweet another thread complaining about how expensive a skin is... No one missed it guys... You're not pointing anything out that we all didn't know already. Calm down and go take a breather and everything will be alright! Also, I laughed too... out loud and for like... a minute straight. Mostly... because I knew how much people would freak out and like clockwork here we are!
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Sweet another thread complaining about how expensive a skin is... No one missed it guys... You're not pointing anything out that we all didn't know already. Calm down and go take a breather and everything will be alright! Also, I laughed too... out loud and for like... a minute straight. Mostly... because I knew how much people would freak out and like clockwork here we are!
Dude, if you want to talk about something else then start a new thread. Create the conversation instead of rely on
others.
Also, no shit people are going to complain, or simply discuss in general about something new. Especially when that new something is something really messed up. its the players duty to let the developers know how they feel. This is a new skin with a new price that is over.... that is exactly 9000 too much.
If it wasn't a big deal people wouldn't say anything about it! Would you be upset if people praised the price, or treating it like an ok thing that should be ignored?
I reiterate, create the conversation if your sick of seeing the same thing.
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I don't think I have ever spent about 75 euro on single videogame.
Of course, I am that one creepy dude that always play free to play games without buying anything and usually buy season passes for games I like on sales when all DLC are out, so it basically doesn't matter to me how much skins cost in RoTBP.
But seriously, if I'll see someone running around with Ginebras's new skin then these people will truly lose all the respect I might had towards them. What I mean is, even if you can afford it and love the game and want to support devs, that price for just one cosmetic item is way too much.
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91 dollars for skin, hell to the no, that's blasphemy, I love this game but I will never sacrifice that much on cosmetics
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Some skins cost less than 5€ (4), most skins cost between 5 and 15€ (10) and some skins cost more than 40€ (3). I will try to explain the reasoning for this with an open heart:
They are optional cosmetic items that don't affect gameplay:
- It does suck to really love a character and see that your favourite skin is out of your reach.
- However, out of any other item, skins cause the least pain to players who can't afford them.
They are 3D pieces that cost a lot of work hours to produce:
- If all skins were priced proportionally to the time they take to produce, they would all be around the 10-15$ range.
- That would leave a lot of players without the chance to own at least one or two skins for cheap.
- Mercury points gained with invitations, which don't cost real money, would never add up to any skin.
- In order to have some skins that sell for much less than that average, we need to price some of them above the average.
- Players who have the possibility to buy these skins subsidize the other skins that sell below production cost.
- Ginebra and Loaht's skins take twice as much work because they need two different models.
- It makes sense that these are the skins chosen to be priced higher than the others.
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Some skins cost less than 5€ (4), most skins cost between 5 and 15€ (10) and some skins cost more than 40€ (3). I will try to explain the reasoning for this with an open heart:
They are optional cosmetic items that don't affect gameplay:
- It does suck to really love a character and see that your favourite skin is out of your reach.
- However, out of any other item, skins cause the least pain to players who can't afford them.
They are 3D pieces that cost a lot of work hours to produce:
- If all skins were priced proportionally to the time they take to produce, they would all be around the 10-15$ range.
- That would leave a lot of players without the chance to own at least one or two skins for cheap.
- Mercury points gained with invitations, which don't cost real money, would never add up to any skin.
- In order to have some skins that sell for much less than that average, we need to price some of them above the average.
- Players who have the possibility to buy these skins subsidize the other skins that sell below production cost.
- Ginebra and Loaht's skins take twice as much work because they need two different models.
- It makes sense that these are the skins chosen to be priced higher than the others.
The only thing I understand and respect is that Ginebra and loaght prices are more because of the two models, but I don't see how you justify a skin costing the same or even more than a AAA game.
Paying for cosmetics is the norm now for video games and I gotten use to that but unless these are hand drawn frame by frame with top notch animations (skullgirls) these skins aren't worth the crazy prices.
I tried looking at them as digital figurines. Most high quality figures for about a $100, since we can also play with these "figurines" I tried accepting the high cost because these are really nice models. I noticed the detail and hard work, but this isn't a free 2 play and the game rely depth and character variety since we just grind after 2 hours of new story.
Even if they're only cosmetics that doesn't make it ok to go nuts on how much you charge. I want to sympathize but I don't know if I can. Maybe I'm just too ignorant
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Honestly 550 for "regulars" and 1250 for "rares"would be better.
There is another issue with the mercury point packs...they come at the most in 2500 so it kinda makes sense that the prices for skins are around that, usually less because 2500 is the biggest pack. It really is a bad UI that you have to do several purchases in steam, validate raiders etc just to have an item.
BTW. Have you considered adding re-colors of the skins themselves? Kinda like fighthing games. Those for 100 MP would be really nice or include 10 colors if you buy the skin in a pack or something.
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To put it simply because this is beyond nuts to even try justifying it. Why are the development team not thinking about getting 3d prints done on popular characters? I think merchandising for this game could be very successful and yet I see nothing of that nature and if it exists it's hiding under a rock. If you sold someone a Ginebra figurine for example... people would buy it because we all have an idea that those are not cheap and it's physically there to touch and love... in private. That kind of attachment is harder to get in a purely digital form unless you're completely out of touch with reality. So to reiterate... please just make action figures instead and make money that way so I don't have to see one of these crop up every time a new skin comes out! Thanks and much love!
P.S. Thank you for the warped love that H.I.V.E created!
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Oh boy...
Some skins cost less than 5€ (4), most skins cost between 5 and 15€ (10) and some skins cost more than 40€ (3). I will try to explain the reasoning for this with an open heart:
Most skins are reasonably priced. I had been considering buying some skins if the teased "big announcement" fixed the rewards system sufficiently, there's a lot of really cool ones and some prices aren't bad.
But they are random off-the-wall prices that make no sense. I think every single skin in the game has a different price, for seemingly no reason? Lycus Mars Merc is super cheap, and now we have an $80 Ginebra skin.
They are optional cosmetic items that don't affect gameplay:
Noooo... maybe not to some players. There will always be certain players who never care how they look or about cosmetics and will use the default look forever, they only care about "gameplay affecting" things like doing 1% more damage.
And there are other players out there who care deeply about cosmetics, playing dress up in a game is just as important, or more, than any functional advantages that they might be able to get. To these players, releasing a blatantly insane price on a cosmetic is either insulting, or predatory. It's kinda both.
Also, the Raiders amazing visual style, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, is one of the main positive draws for it.
I highly recommend this for further education on why the "it doesn't affect gameplay" is a false argument:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce5CDrq4dGg
They are 3D pieces that cost a lot of work hours to produce:
- If all skins were priced proportionally to the time they take to produce, they would all be around the 10-15$ range.
- That would leave a lot of players without the chance to own at least one or two skins for cheap.
You mean to tell me the work put into this skin is twice the amount of work that designing the actual campaigns costs? Because all 4 campaigns = $40, so an $80 skin justified by the amount of work needed sure sounds like it has more work put in than the entire rest of the game.
If the game generates more players, that means more interest in cosmetics, which means more total purchases. They will also be up for sale for the duration this game lasts. Are you just trying to get 1 or 2 whales to buy Ginebra? Because that's obviously the target audience here, with the clear intent to push this skin faaaaaar out of reach for the majority of players.
Disclaimer: for those who haven't heard the term whale before, here is an explanation: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/63lvak/what_is_a_whale/
- Ginebra and Loaht's skins take twice as much work because they need two different models.
- It makes sense that these are the skins chosen to be priced higher than the others.
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Makes sense. But hear me, and so many others out: Nine. Thousand. Points. $80 for "just a cosmetic."
Let's compare a high priced skin from a regular character... say one that costs 2500 points. That's $20 in raw points, I'd still say that's expensive, but I would have likely never thought to leave legit feedback regarding how bad it was. So this Ginebra skin is 4 times the work than Shae's Nun? It has new models on it, but it still has a lot of base Ginebra reused.
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Regardless, the real insult to the players here is putting something so unfathomably expensive into the game during the same week we are waiting to hear the "big changes" to the game economy, which I'd be very confident in saying is the #1 complaint turning potential new players off. I nearly quit after seeing the very first reward screen (which I got nothing, on my first win ever, because of the awful blueprint coin flip) and seeing character costs, but I went ahead and bought both current campaigns because I was optimistic.
I'd sure love to play Ginebra, but she is so expensive it will take ages to get her. Hans costs 25k. Is Ginebra actually 14 times better than him, based on their respective costs? We know she isn't, but she has been placed behind a massive grind wall and now paired with the most expensive single cosmetic I've seen in my gaming years.
Honestly 550 for "regulars" and 1250 for "rares"would be better.
There is another issue with the mercury point packs...they come at the most in 2500 so it kinda makes sense that the prices for skins are around that, usually less because 2500 is the biggest pack. It really is a bad UI that you have to do several purchases in steam, validate raiders etc just to have an item.
BTW. Have you considered adding re-colors of the skins themselves? Kinda like fighthing games. Those for 100 MP would be really nice or include 10 colors if you buy the skin in a pack or something.
Just want to second everything suggested here. A predictable, reasonable, attainable pricing that's even across the board, points that are easier to buy (seriously why even price something higher than the largest pack of points?). And recolor customization options, in a game with beautiful visuals.
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Not being funny here but why even did Ginebra get another skin when Iune and H.I.V.E still only have their original skin? Those are also fairly popular characters and by admission far less work to create an affordable alternate skin. Seems to me, it would have generated money better. Put bluntly, the skin for the amount of work that went into it is not terribly appealing. So, even if I had the money to burn I wouldn't spend it on that content and I 'do' intend to buy another skin or two in the future.
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Uhg, the justification makes things worse, I feel so embarrassed for some.
Again if something takes say X hours of development to complete it, you don't simply divide by the player base to get your breakeven. Research a bit what the market will bear. That or common sense will lead you towards the answer of "maybe this is a bad idea we"
I don't have a stake in this game as I have never purchased a single skin on any game in my life since it never impacts gameplay, (which is a data point you should use for your research) but when something of this magnitude comes along, you hate to think you flushed $60 down the drain as similar practices are evident elsewhere in the business model.
Darn.
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I have never purchased a single skin on any game in my life since it never impacts gameplay
^Thus my point. Some players will never care about cosmetic looks, this is just a numbers game.
I am a player who loves to spend on this kinda stuff though. I'd be ashamed to admit how much total cash I've spent on Warframe over the years just to look pretty, or Soul Calibur 5 character creation. I've definitely bought this kinda thing a lot through my years.... and I have never seen a *single* cosmetic enhancement cost this much, ever.
Monetization in general is not the problem. Earning through in-game achievement is ALWAYS preferred, but your business model obviously relies on microtransactions to some extent. It should just be priced within reality.
I still want to buy a skin for Harec, Alicia, etc. since they have some good prices and look nice. Just waiting to see the verdict on upcoming changes.
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I bet every time the person in charge of the forums tries to justify a 75€ skin he/she dies a little inside ...I mean it's his or her job , what do you expect lol.
It's like the higher ups in charge already think the game is doomed so they are putting all their chips on the small minority that has no self control and are spending addicts before the game shuts down.
I actually think the game could get more support if they make the right changes though.
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I bet every time the person in charge of the forums tries to justify a 75€ skin he/she dies a little inside ...I mean it's his or her job , what do you expect lol.
It's like the higher ups in charge already think the game is doomed so they are putting all their chips on the small minority that has no self control and are spending addicts before the game shuts down.
I actually think the game could get more support if they make the right changes though.
I work as customer service for a real estate website, so I know how it is to deal with angry customers (and people buying houses can be REAL bastards!). I only wish Mercury Steam was as upfront about what's going on with us, the players (or customers depending on the thought process), as I strive to be with anyone I talk to. I am never afraid to blame our website if it has issues and design flaws, like our search function was *awful* for the longest.... but the web developers thought it was fine and kept writing off our internal complaints. Everyone that complained about it, I agreed and sympathized with.
And eventually, it got changed! Now I don't have to apologize for our web search being crappy 10 times a day :P
Pretending a massive problem does not exist does not look good on a service provider. Admitting fault, having empathy and understanding and a willingness to correct a problem, goes a looooooong way. Acting like 80 dollars for a single cosmetic is justifiable is pretending like it's not a problem, and an attempt to invalidate criticism. Like my web devs at work claiming a function is fine, when we get 50 calls a day complaining about said feature.
Someone compared Ginebra skin to Bethesda's Horse Armor DLC, which is a good point. Horse Armor was massively mocked by the video game community at large, and now stands as an infamous meme in regards to overpriced useless DLC... and that was just $2.50! Imagine if Raiders was more mainstream, an $80 skin would become the laughing stock of every single game journalism site on the internet!
It's not as big of an issue as the much-needed economy changes, but they DO keep promising to fix those, which has kept a few of the lingering fanbase from jumping ship already. It's just such a mixed bag as far as some things we get a lot of dev feedback on, and others do not :-\
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Someone compared Ginebra skin to Bethesda's Horse Armor DLC, which is a good point.
Ah, yes. Horse armor. I remember those days! lol
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Wait... is Hive getting Horse Armor? Heck yes, let's see it!
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I haven't been as active with the game the last few months as I have been waiting for the changes MS have been promising. I purchased the founders pack and have generally enjoyed the campaigns so far but like many others I have voiced concerns over some of the ridiculous prices of the skins for the game. Then I saw the Ginebra skin 9000mp, I can only shake my head. To my surprise someone from MS drew the short straw and needed to justify the price...I am disgusted. The fact that anyone in this community that is passionate about this game defends 80$ is disgusting.
To the guy that blew open the 'it is 80$ of work on the skin' explanation. You are right on. Skin doesnt even look that different from her other costumes anyway to be honest.
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Some skins cost less than 5€ (4), most skins cost between 5 and 15€ (10) and some skins cost more than 40€ (3). I will try to explain the reasoning for this with an open heart:
They are optional cosmetic items that don't affect gameplay:
- It does suck to really love a character and see that your favourite skin is out of your reach.
- However, out of any other item, skins cause the least pain to players who can't afford them.
They are 3D pieces that cost a lot of work hours to produce:
- If all skins were priced proportionally to the time they take to produce, they would all be around the 10-15$ range.
- That would leave a lot of players without the chance to own at least one or two skins for cheap.
- Mercury points gained with invitations, which don't cost real money, would never add up to any skin.
- In order to have some skins that sell for much less than that average, we need to price some of them above the average.
- Players who have the possibility to buy these skins subsidize the other skins that sell below production cost.
- Ginebra and Loaht's skins take twice as much work because they need two different models.
- It makes sense that these are the skins chosen to be priced higher than the others.
That argument for time spent is bonkers and here is why:
You can buy Witcher 3 Game of the Year with all DLC and Expansions for less money,and they spent years making those.
I understand that you need to make money and game did not that have a great start,but you should be looking how to attract more players not turn them away.
Make unlockable things such as cards,weapons etc. easier to obtain.Also.,find the way to implement cosmetic stuff akin to those in games like..TF2 ,dota 2 ,League of Legends..so called cosmetic hats ..for less money ^_^
I mean,even Riot games invests a lot time in creating those and still prices them not more than 25 euros for Ultimate skins...
Think about it,dont panic..game is good..just think of a way to attract people
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Can someone tell me how to insert an image just like the one at the beginning of the post? I click insert image icon but just see the IMG/ then what?
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Can someone tell me how to insert an image just like the one at the beginning of the post? I click insert image icon but just see the IMG/ then what?
Put a URL inbetween the img /img tags
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So I upload my image first, then I link to the URL. Thank you!