Mercurysteam's Hangout
BARRACKS => Gameplay Feedback => Topic started by: ScerCkan on September 05, 2018, 09:23:58 AM
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Why the hell do we have to carry these useless idiots lvls 1-20 which at least one of them end up leaving the match and forces everyone to watch all the cheesy cutscenes? 20% mentor bonus my ass. you only get that if theres a lvl 1 and in my opinion there's no difference between a lvl 1 and a lvl 20. And what's with the obnoxious forced cutscene. At least make the whole team vote to watch it or skip it
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The game just released as F2P and players are trying it despite Mecurysteam giving it absolutely no advertising. All new games go through this learning curve at some point and either you accept it and help the community to grow, or you can whine about it and let the game stagnate. I guess we know which one you want to happen.
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They should make the 20% mentor bonus count PER EACH new player on the team and a new player should be redefined as any player from level 1 to 10, while level 11 and higher will not be counted for Mentor bonus.
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Man i didnt realize how often this gets brought up. But try to see it from another point of view for a change. This games great and if you found this game and was eager to try it out you too will be running around like a chicken without its head for a little while. I mean yes there going to quit (which is unfortunate) and you'll likely fail or struggle harder but they WILL appreciate your help.
And if an Antag shows up like a wolf trying to kill the weakest in the bunch , slap them around to the point of making them force quit.
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No one is saying we shouldn't group with new players or that new players aren't a welcome growth of the game. What many are saying is that they are a huge burden to a veterans progress and maybe they should give more incentives to accept the mission with them to compensate for the liability, more than a flat 20%. I often decline missions that state I am getting a mentor bonus, mostly because I'm burnt out on the previous missions where low level players single handedly costed the mission. I can only accept losses so many times before I get tired of it.
EDIT: Of course from a developer's point of view they could just say, "Well we could just as easily not have ever implemented a mentor system." And that's true, but one uses the system now more as a warning not to accept the match than an incentive to accept. The issue of low level players being a liability (due to many different issues) would still exist regardless of the mentor bonus.
I can't help feel bad for the new players when I decline the mission, because on their side it says that another player did not accept mission (and that'd be me), and wonder how often this happens to them and what MSE could do to alleviate my inclination to decline a Mentor "warning". Especially since BP are more rare now, card shuffling and forge are more expensive now, and faction points are smaller than they've ever been. One may not have the luxury to "afford" to mentor new players. I don't envy being a developer and balancing issues like this, I can completely see how this would be a stressful job to handle.
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if the game supported voice chat via xbl, it would be a LOT less of a problem. sure, there would be some toxicity (there always is) but at least experienced players would be able to explain to new players what to do.
i'm shouting at dead air over here "STOP TRYING TO PUNCH THE SNIPER ELITES!!!"
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if the game supported voice chat via xbl, it would be a LOT less of a problem. sure, there would be some toxicity (there always is) but at least experienced players would be able to explain to new players what to do.
i'm shouting at dead air over here "STOP TRYING TO PUNCH THE SNIPER ELITES!!!"
The game does support voice chat, it is just off by default. You need to go into your settings and turn it on. Needless to say this does not help for teaching new players because you have very limited options for communicating with them.
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We always can to refuse from mentor game or play only mission where they can't ruin like mission with Lyra sphere or IN SHOCK or NO RECERVATION...ofc almost impossible complete mission with Loaht with baby riders :)
I personaly like play with new players,i hate play with Hareks and not matter lvl 1 or 400+ ...same crap:D
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if the game supported voice chat via xbl, it would be a LOT less of a problem. sure, there would be some toxicity (there always is) but at least experienced players would be able to explain to new players what to do.
i'm shouting at dead air over here "STOP TRYING TO PUNCH THE SNIPER ELITES!!!"
The game does support voice chat, it is just off by default. You need to go into your settings and turn it on. Needless to say this does not help for teaching new players because you have very limited options for communicating with them.
This doesn't apply to PC users. We need a voice chat.
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UGH!!! I was about to get so HAPPY. I thought maybe I was missing something and I could go home and turn on voice chat. But only for consoles. ;_;
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if the game supported voice chat via xbl, it would be a LOT less of a problem. sure, there would be some toxicity (there always is) but at least experienced players would be able to explain to new players what to do.
i'm shouting at dead air over here "STOP TRYING TO PUNCH THE SNIPER ELITES!!!"
The game does support voice chat, it is just off by default. You need to go into your settings and turn it on. Needless to say this does not help for teaching new players because you have very limited options for communicating with them.
This doesn't apply to PC users. We need a voice chat.
I was responding to someone about XB1. I agree that PC needs a voice chat but having the option off by default makes it pointless with randoms anyway. For organized groups there are plenty of third party voice apps available.
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With the new F2P model we have welcomed tens of thousands of new players. These new users are very important for the future of game, and in time they will develop their skills and become really good players.
We implemented the mentor matches to support to reward veterans who give a helping hand to the rookies. We are aware that the system is not 100% fine-tuned, and we are thinking about ways to improve it, including increasing the rewards for the mentors.
Also we are addressing the disconnections issue, and we have devised a solution we think you will like and that will come out in the near future ;-)
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With the new F2P model we have welcomed tens of thousands of new players. These new users are very important for the future of game, and in time they will develop their skills and become really good players.
We implemented the mentor matches to support to reward veterans who give a helping hand to the rookies. We are aware that the system is not 100% fine-tuned, and we are thinking about ways to improve it, including increasing the rewards for the mentors.
Also we are addressing the disconnections issue, and we have devised a solution we think you will like and that will come out in the near future ;-)
Thank you for all the responses you've been giving us recently. Also are you guys doing anything about the long waiting time for matchmaking? Even with all these new players sometimes it can take over 5 minutes to find a match.
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Yes, we always are working on improve it.
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I love to watch repeated cutscenes "and you always have an answer for everything", "Schneider, the data!" XD
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I love to watch repeated cutscenes "and you always have an answer for everything", "Schneider, the data!" XD
that was worth it? :D
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I love to watch repeated cutscenes "and you always have an answer for everything", "Schneider, the data!" XD
that was worth it? :D
I got more to add "What the hell . Is that my house down there ? I'm gonna kill you fuckers ." , "Go fuck yourself , fuckwad . Do you hear me in the tank? " , "Haha , what a loser... / "Stupid imposter"... " , " ...shit , I think I forgot a cake in the oven . Did you turned it off Cortez? " etc. .
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I love to watch repeated cutscenes "and you always have an answer for everything", "Schneider, the data!" XD
that was worth it? :D
Totally XD
Last night I was the one pressing the spacebar to keep the cutscenes in the Aneska's mission XD
The game is filled with good moments
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With the new F2P model we have welcomed tens of thousands of new players. These new users are very important for the future of game, and in time they will develop their skills and become really good players.
We implemented the mentor matches to support to reward veterans who give a helping hand to the rookies. We are aware that the system is not 100% fine-tuned, and we are thinking about ways to improve it, including increasing the rewards for the mentors.
Also we are addressing the disconnections issue, and we have devised a solution we think you will like and that will come out in the near future ;-)
Y'know, the Mentor issue would be greatly alleviated if you brought back offline mode and removed the star requirements. This way, players could actually use training mode (Why's it called training mode if you can't train in it) BEFORE they join an online match. There would still be some "running around with heads cut off" but, at least, they'd have an idea of the goals of the map and what to expect from the map.
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Forget about all good whot a say about Lil players .
Rly How to play 1st missions of every compagin without those fuckers,bcs bp always here and those parasites always try play those missions :D
Heheheh-not so rly but....its real :)
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I recommend to all players: DONT PLAY MENTOR MATCHES! They are a total waste of time, full of quitters and noobies that will make you hate the game.
Campaign "Do not play Mentor Matches" until MercurySteam improves the rewards for these matches.
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The problem is that BP of a mission of 99% always in the first missions of the companies... Beginners always there, I don't understand this shit, but it is impossible to play these missions without these damned beginners. It is not a problem even at all it is interesting, but "Syka Blyad" not when is a mission on receiving BP :D
All roads all negative in a game ,-everything would be conducted to Stupid system of BP
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Many problems here:
- 1: the new player experience is very bad
(made a topic for this one: https://www.spacelordsthegame.com/community/index.php?topic=2314.0)
- 2: the reward system forcing you to play one mission and win it, with a high score.
Clearly, I don't want to play mentor matches when doing my dailies, so I decline them several times but since they come back a minute after, I may be forced to play them (and curse new players when it's not their fault) or go play another game for a while.
- 3: Antagonists.
I have a problem with PvP in general and only like this game when not playing with an antagonist, because I mainly play with random players, sometime in mentor matches and the MMR system is always wrong (team of lvl 80 raiders with a lvl 10 antag or mentor match with 3 beginners and an antag lvl 275!)
When you put all that together, it makes a horrible game that I usually rage quit mid game and go play Warframe ...
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4.Retards who pick Harek :D
And i tell absolutely same about your #2-Fucking newbs and Stupid Bp system is like 2 component bomb- safe if separate but together dat is stupidiest shit evAr :)
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Many problems here:
- 1: the new player experience is very bad
(made a topic for this one: https://www.spacelordsthegame.com/community/index.php?topic=2314.0)
- 2: the reward system forcing you to play one mission and win it, with a high score.
Clearly, I don't want to play mentor matches when doing my dailies, so I decline them several times but since they come back a minute after, I may be forced to play them (and curse new players when it's not their fault) or go play another game for a while.
- 3: Antagonists.
I have a problem with PvP in general and only like this game when not playing with an antagonist, because I mainly play with random players, sometime in mentor matches and the MMR system is always wrong (team of lvl 80 raiders with a lvl 10 antag or mentor match with 3 beginners and an antag lvl 275!)
When you put all that together, it makes a horrible game that I usually rage quit mid game and go play Warframe ...
It's interesting isn't it? They have a rea;;y solid game with no antagonists. I would hope they realize this.
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And even without the antag sometimes the match is too hard for the newbie... I played one match with one guy lvl 120+, another 200 and myself 67, then the newbie was lvl 1 or 2... the mission was In Shock and the mobs were quite powerful, so they one hit the poor guy enough times to make him disconnect... even when we were handling it right, but he could not do anything at all, just run and die, that wasn't a good first experience at all...
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And even without the antag sometimes the match is too hard for the newbie... I played one match with one guy lvl 120+, another 200 and myself 67, then the newbie was lvl 1 or 2... the mission was In Shock and the mobs were quite powerful, so they one hit the poor guy enough times to make him disconnect... even when we were handling it right, but he could not do anything at all, just run and die, that wasn't a good first experience at all...
This.^^^
New players need every opportunity to succeed and while Spacelords is certainly not an easy game, it should not punish the new player with a high MMR; let them earn a high MMR first. The lack of any in-game tutorial is bad enough for new players, there is no need to punish them further. Besides, most mentor matches have an antagonist anyway.
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Well, they have a tutorial now. And it's pretty explanatory. What they need is an offline mode, or the practice mode to be available without having to earn it. At least for beginning missions.
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Looking at videos on a separate window is not a good tutorial Drow. Also where did the mini mission where you play as Harec go ?
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Remove fuckin' noobs from short fused mission. At least for a week close him access to this mission.From start of Spacelords never... NEVER there was an opportunity to play this mission without these parasites :D
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I don't mind playing with first time players. But the problems are..
-They become antagonist sidekick in BP mission. They drag down the progress.
-They mostly quit first. And remaining players suffers. For What ?
-Mentor Matches should be ezpz so players will keep playing. But the game beat the poop out of the new players.
-And no communication. I just want to tell them don't break the turret in Low Blow.
Edit: I kept denying mentor match but it kept poping up. Today Mentor Match. Two LvL60+, One LvL13, One LvL2(Harek). LvL 50+ Antagonist. New Player quit after 2mins. I am not in mood to play because of BP Stress. And then puck the BP and kept playing. Anyway we won because of Shae. So what is the meaning of Mentor Match when the new player left ? We are not teaching the player anything. I am 50% sure he'll never come back. Treasure the NEW PLAYER. I don't want to invest time grinding in dying game.
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The correct would be the Mentor Macthes doesnt exist. Level 100 players being paired with level 1 players is ridiculous.