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SPACELORDS COMMUNITY => Spacelords Universe => Topic started by: Level9Drow on January 24, 2018, 09:14:11 PM
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When is he coming out? Just wondering.
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Either this week or next. Hopefully friday
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Any guesses on cost? I've seen estimates of 300,000g to put him in between HIVE and Ginebra. Never managed to save up enough for HIVE, but Doldren may be more my playstyle anyway.
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Any guesses on cost? I've seen estimates of 300,000g to put him in between HIVE and Ginebra. Never managed to save up enough for HIVE, but Doldren may be more my playstyle anyway.
Please god no.
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Does anyone know what his special ability will be and what type of firearm he will use?
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Does anyone know what his special ability will be and what type of firearm he will use?
Don't know abilities but he's going to use sub machine guns and hand cannons or something similar
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There is speculation that his ability is to switch between two types of weapons... a handgun and a sort of auto-pistol or Sub machine-gun.
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Makes sense with the massive Hp that Aliens have.
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Makes sense with the massive Hp that Aliens have.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEduUJgrJnTH093yw/giphy.gif)
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To be fair and this will be said again... the difference between an Alien's health and oh... a Wardog's is a couple of bullets. Neither is going to survive long if you're acting like you're some sort of half man and half machine! But I bet if there was such a thing they'd move like a dump truck with no wheels!
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I thought this guy would be out at the end of last month or at least that week. Did he get pushed back, or did I get my information wrong?
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My suspicion is they are having balancing issues and are trying to nip those in the butt first. Very likely, they have a couple of teams working on different things in Raiders and more than likely even different projects entirely. So, could be they are actually having issues getting the new campaign sorted and that is drawing attention away from Doldren. Also, the changes coming are pretty big by their own admission so any past estimates might not be accurate since their workload has changed. While cliche, try and be patient and watch for teasers/trailers. In any event, I doubt he will release without a lot of noise from the community so you can jump right in when he does!
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I was just curious. I think December, the team was responding to a player and they said they wanted to get everyone for the wardogs out last month.
If all attention is to the next campaign then more power to them. Wouldn't even mind if Doldren showed up afterwards.
Though, I have seen characters release days after someone asked about their appearance. Just wanted to see if that'd work.
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Though, I have seen characters release days after someone asked about their appearance. Just wanted to see if that'd work.
Oh, he gets asked about on the daily in discord ;)
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Though, I have seen characters release days after someone asked about their appearance. Just wanted to see if that'd work.
Oh, he gets asked about on the daily in discord ;)
So sooner or later my theory will be proven ;D
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Holy crap! He an astral project himself and become invisible then grab people. Bloody Hell, he's a monster! I'm always going to be paranoid when up against him.
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There are tough times ahead now, with Doldren as an Antag.
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What does he cost? Gold and Money?
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What does he cost? Gold and Money?
your SOUL and your TEARS
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Seriously though? stuck at work. Hah
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Seriously though? stuck at work. Hah
Are you kidding? The only time I am on these forums is when I'm in my cubicle at work, LOL.
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Yeah...If only someone with access to the game could tell meeee. Hah. I might be a tad obsessive...yeah.
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What does he cost? Gold and Money?
90000 gold and less than 20 dollars if you purchase the packs that aren't $20. Sorry I didn't actually get a good look at the packs to know the exact amount but it's uber $20
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Thank you, geared. Wewt.
I'll come on later and post what maps his guns are on. So that people can see all the relevant information about the character.
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Bloody Mary rate on Fistful of Sand.
Submachine gun common on Short Fused.
He's amazing at killing antagonist, but he feels really squishy, more than Harec or Shae. Good damage on first gun, much prefer it over submachine gun.
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Ohhhhhh boy.... FISTFUL OF SAAAAAND
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Bloody Mary rate on Fistful of Sand.
Submachine gun common on Short Fused.
He's amazing at killing antagonist, but he feels really squishy, more than Harec or Shae. Good damage on first gun, much prefer it over submachine gun.
Yea, he seems like an anti-antag raider. He's ok as an antag, but me and my usual team haven't had any troubles with him so far. He's really squichy and if you are paranoid enough he can't get the jump on you.
I'm saving up for a new raider. I'm torn between Iune and Doldren. I want Gin, but feel she is too expensive. I currently bought Kuzzy and Hive and that's all.
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Ginebra is incredibly valuable to any team but only if played well. I have seen plenty of bad Ginebra players. She is almost a sniper but really she's more of an anti-sniper and when you get a really good sniper Antagonist you might you had her with you.
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Update on Doldren: He's an anti-antag as suggested and his Rare Gun (Bloody Mary) is too complicated to be reliably useful, and max damage on Hades Division still requires 3 headshots.
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Yea I chose Doldren. I've had great success at taking about Antag alien snipers, even decent ones. They really can't to much if you have certain cards that allow him to hit really hard. At 60 health they're done for the moment you become corporeal.
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Beware the Harec that knows how to Stalk. Hah.
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They seriously need to put a timer on how long he can use his ability as well as a limit to how frequently it can be used. Just having him visible when you can hide his body across a massive map is not much of a handicap.
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They seriously need to put a timer on how long he can use his ability as well as a limit to how frequently it can be used. Just having him visible when you can hide his body across a massive map is not much of a handicap.
But you can SEE his dormant body through the wall all the way across the map, he's just as vulnerable, if not more, than the victim he is stalking. And he's an alien, he has 60 health. He is SO squishy, and unlike the other aliens, he's not a sniper at a safe distance. He has to be at least at medium range to be helpful.
Besides, they needed an anti-antag raider. I'm learning this guy in and out.
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All characters are anti-antagonist... It's just the perception that it's his primary role when really I think he was meant more to be a tricky Antagonist. The whole health thing is null and void if he never gets shot at... because he is a literal mile away. Iune cannot run away in any manner and she does just fine with her 60 health.
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All I can say is this: Doldren has convinced me to stop playing Antagonist.
Long story short, I played against Doldren a number of times as Antagonist, all of them shut-outs as an Antagonist. So, Sunday when I saw yet another Doldren being selected as raider, I got out before the match started and just threw up my hands for the night.
Tonight, when I logged in, I'm being penalized for that. I don't mind the penalty of not being able to log in for a while. Steps have to be taken to keep people from disconnecting. That's fair enough.
But....
If my only choices are to get penalized for leaving before a match starts against a Doldren Raider party or suffer through another completely lopsided match, I choose not to play Antagonist at all. I'll still play it as a raider and single-player because I do like the game but I'm done with Antagonist. It's one thing to get my ass handed to me against a team that has their act together. It's another thing when it's done at the hands of a raider toon that is so OP that being defeated ceases to be fun and becomes an exercise in masochism.
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There's counters to him for sure. Right now one of the most agreed with seemed to be using Konstantine and he's a fairly easy to use character to begin with. In other words, give him a shot as I have won against teams using Doldren and he is only ever becoming more and more predictable.
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I did use Konstantin as one of the counters. That was actually one of the worse shutouts as the guy playing Doldren would materialize behind me out of repulsion field range and one-shot me with his gun.
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I played 5 antagonist games tonight all with doldren in the party. He got a ton of kills on me, but I only "lost" (made enough kills to keep my stigmas) 1 out of those 5.
His spirit cannot traverse terrain hardly at all, anything you have to climb up to he won't be able to appear on. Also if you see his aleph then you know he's seeking you, keep your eyes on it and once it goes poof, he's behind you! 9/10 times. I fought drow (the one game I lost) and stopped his Doldren assault a few times by anticipating his teleport.
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I have been using Harec as an antagonist against Doldren and it has been working out for me, Harec can shoot from angles that Doldern can reach and punish him for going astral. I need to do more testing, but I also think Lycus could be a good choose as well with his pepper pot weapon and the merciless faction card. As of right now I do not think that Doldren is OP, but I do know that he is a game changer and has changed the meta of the game. I’m working on a guide on Doldren currently showing some strengths and weakness that players are not aware of; or, taking advantaged of.
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This could all change once Doldren players decide to use their guns.
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Most Doldren players play him foolishly and go astral form in a spot that is too close. You have to take the time to run ALL THE WAY to the farthest point on the map. That way you are too far and removed for a sniper, even Harec, to reach unless he goes into enemy territory, and if they really want to seek you out and kill your body, fine, then your allies can focus on the objective while the antag is taking a jog to the edge of the map (depends on the map). Most of my mistakes as Doldren verses the antag is not being patient enough and waiting for my allies when I didn't have to. I tries to solo too much, and that's not great unless you are stalking a sniper antag, they only have 60 health and that two hits or one head shot. But other antags, like fricken Hanz, you have to be patient.
I remember that match and it was NERVE WRECKING! I wasn't all, "Yay! We won!" at the end, I was like, "S***, I need to log off." PvP isn't for everyone, even if you win. I don't even like Doldren, I just use him because I'm sick of antagonists. And on certain maps, and if you play conservative and VERY difficult and don't get too excited (like I did), you can at least win the match.
I really feel bad for alien snipers though, they REALLY can't do anything against him. I felt HORRIBLE after dominating a really high level Harec Antag, and it was just me the WHOLE match. I focused on hunting him and nothing else. But I also know the gut will destroy us on Short Fused and has before when I DIDN'T play Doldren. That being said, I felt like S*** after the match. But they force this on us, nothing else we can do.
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Depending on gun/map Doldren has few answers for Harec, imo.
You say run away, but on most maps stalk can provide line of sight to the entire map. On huge maps stalk should still save you from ambush. Several occasions I just jump when they teleport.
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Depending on gun/map Doldren has few answers for Harec, imo.
You say run away, but on most maps stalk can provide line of sight to the entire map. On huge maps stalk should still save you from ambush. Several occasions I just jump when they teleport.
Yes, depending on the map, you are right. But certain maps, like Short Fused for instance, Harec really has to go out of the way to stalk Doldrens dormant body, because I ONLY leave my body ALL the way at the beginning. That puts Harec far out of the way of his operation as an atnag if he wants to get me. And when He does stalk and I find his little smoke shroud I just wait as a spirit right on it... and when he comes back I materialize punch him as soon as I see him. And that pretty much ends him. If he's smart he should bluff me.
To your credit, I really haven't tested Doldren on many other maps. I have to see how he does for others. I can already think of a few that Harec could get me always. :P
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Yeah I shouldn't have gone with Hans on Short Fused, not sure what I was thinking since your team had no long range fighters, would have been a cake walk! I always rock with Shae there, and did later that night, and still had a Doldren to deal with.
I do not consider him OP at all, I actually think he's pretty weak so far and could use a buff of some kind. But he nature of being able to appear outside of a player's field of view is extremely valuable, even when I'm watching and waiting for Doldren I still mess up some times, or slide when I hear the sound and they go for a grab. But he's so squishy it's easy to kill him if his trick doesn't work.
Main thing to remember when fighting him.... he can't go up to high ground when ghosting.
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Yeah I shouldn't have gone with Hans on Short Fused, not sure what I was thinking since your team had no long range fighters, would have been a cake walk! I always rock with Shae there, and did later that night, and still had a Doldren to deal with.
I do not consider him OP at all, I actually think he's pretty weak so far and could use a buff of some kind. But he nature of being able to appear outside of a player's field of view is extremely valuable, even when I'm watching and waiting for Doldren I still mess up some times, or slide when I hear the sound and they go for a grab. But he's so squishy it's easy to kill him if his trick doesn't work.
Main thing to remember when fighting him.... he can't go up to high ground when ghosting.
I don't think he's OP for Wardogs, Hades Devision or 5th Council, I think he's OP for the Aliens faction. You have to be extremely clever with them just to break even in a match against him (unless the Doldren player is not using him right, and I've seen this "run and gun" Doldren not being stealthy at all). He has huge advantages over them. Especially with certain cards.
Although that could all change with Harec's new rifle. I think it's more of an assault weapon.
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Currently I feel that Doldren is a good place, but I feel he needs 2 changes. (1) The JK-5 needs a slight buff in DMG for headshot only by +2. (2) The audio que when he leaves astral against another play is to quiet and is inconsistent, sometimes not making any sound. This may be a bug and I will try to test is and see if something is causing it (e.g. another overlapping sound, maps, other characters)
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If they wouldn't buff the damage and just count the max damage as 'headshot' damage so that reaper and headshot cards could proc then that alone would do the thing.
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*Sigh* You know you're into a game when you decide to start playing Protagonist again despite an OP raider.
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He's really not OP though.... he dies from a light breeze.