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BARRACKS => Suggestions => Topic started by: Fallos on December 01, 2017, 10:36:41 AM
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IDK how to tell you another way that you are killing your game.
You have awesome art, you have awesome scenario and cinematics but only one idiot ruined all this. This idion thinks that people want play antagonist ant they want pay $20 for one skin and he thinks that people who like online multyplayer doesnt need co-op, or he thinks that matchmaking + four random people it about co-op???
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Are you "el stupido" or somthing?
IDK how to tell you another way that you are killing your game.
You have awesome art, you have awesome scenario and cinematics but only one idiot ruined all this. This idion thinks that people want play antagonist ant they want pay $20 for one skin and he thinks that people who like online multyplayer doesnt need co-op, or he thinks that matchmaking + four random people it about co-op???
F...k you imbecile whoever you are.
i agree bro
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You guys have to realise that this game lives and dies by it's online community. MercurySteam require a robust online community, or the game dies a quick death. By giving you everything you want in offline mode, they would be castrating the longevity of the game. I think patching in some offline co-op at a later date would be a good idea though.
Edit: The skin thing though is a travesty, no arguments there.
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Know what else will cause this game a quick death, Argentil? Always being forced to wait 20 - 30 minutes just to play a single match, only to die instantly because the randoms I finally joined have no idea what they're doing (I'm absolutely certain I've spent twice as much time waiting for matches as I have actually playing the game). Randoms I've seen dozens of times because the community is so small. Both me and two of my friends play this game, but even then it takes a while to find a fourth, while being able to start with just us three would have been better.
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I sympathise, really I do. Which region are you in? And which platform? I can only think you're in a low pop area, or you're playing off-peak. Though I often find games at off-peak hours within 10 minutes. Queuing as a group of 3 does make your queue times longer though. You should really try recruit a 4th, there's so much incentive to do so. If you really are in a low pop region, surely there must be someone on the forum in a similar situation who would like to join you. I know it's a drag.
I play EU PS4, if you want a filler. I have a feeling you're US though?
The only other solution would be to play the game on a different platform or get the EU version of the client and put up with more latency. I do find though, that sometimes MM seems to "break" and you can end up queuing for a really long time for no reason. Restarting the queue helps sometimes.
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I agree with this, 100% as I have put up a couple posts before about it myself.
The developers shouldn't have the mindset that this game should live or die just because of the large community they want it to have. This gave has potential and I'm loving it so far. Characters, missions, rewards is a eh, but mostly it's a good game.
It's a shame that it's one HUGE downfall is it's match making time because they won't add in a Private Match/Co-op feature because they are so heavily set on making it a 4/4v1 game.
Games are meant for the players to enjoy so that the developers get paid. They should listen to the feedback and actually try to do something about this since this is one of the BIGGEST downfall this game has. How long it takes to even join a game. Me and my best friend were all day trying to find a group for the new DLC Wardog Fury and NO matches at all. I wanted to play by his side and help him but since there's no match making option, we had no choice but to quit because he doesn't like to play solo, and is not very good at the game to do so.
Please Developers if you read this, make some type of way to have a private match session, so those of us who aren't as fortunate to find a random group of players to be able to play the game still with 1 or 2 of our other friends. It would greatly save the game and make it more recommendable, because having such waiting time kills patience and not make the game very playable or re-playable.
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Argentil, even ten minutes is far too long to wait for a mission that will, at best, take fifteen to twenty minutes to beat. I'm a US PS4 player, but peak times clearly aren't the issue, as I learned yesterday. I tried off and on all day, as I was off of work, and only once did I manage to queue up for a mission in under fifteen minutes. That's abysmal, and could be remedied with a private mode.
You say I should play on another platform? That's ridiculous. I already regret buying the season pass (which is a first for me), and you want me to buy the game again? No thank you. And I shouldn't have to go trawling through forums, desperately seeking more people to play with. There's no incentive to recruit more people, but what there is incentive do to is just not waste my time on the game at all.
Basically, it's as Soul Devour said. The developers want it to be 4V1 at all times...even to the detriment of the player-base. Making a private mode, maybe upping the rewards a bit, not slooooowly releasing characters in an attempt to keep people interested (we all saw the new characters in the trailer, let's not pretend that they couldn't have released them at the same time as the new campaign), and not making skins that cost literally the price of a full game would be a far better method of keeping things going than you trying to convince me to buy the game (which I already slightly regret buying) a second time.
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I sympathise, really I do. Which region are you in? And which platform? I can only think you're in a low pop area, or you're playing off-peak. Though I often find games at off-peak hours within 10 minutes. Queuing as a group of 3 does make your queue times longer though. You should really try recruit a 4th, there's so much incentive to do so. If you really are in a low pop region, surely there must be someone on the forum in a similar situation who would like to join you. I know it's a drag.
I play EU PS4, if you want a filler. I have a feeling you're US though?
The only other solution would be to play the game on a different platform or get the EU version of the client and put up with more latency. I do find though, that sometimes MM seems to "break" and you can end up queuing for a really long time for no reason. Restarting the queue helps sometimes.
Argentil im italian and i play on xbox one,the only people i found lives in the US,now you want play in the midnight?
thats why i want the offline/solo mode rewards because i cant farm NOTHING!!!
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No, I wasn't suggesting you start over again in a new region, unless you hadn't invested too much into the game. It wasn't my real solution to the problem, but a consolation prize, so to speak.
Sadly, this is a multiplayer focused game from a small studio, their profitability relies on a large number of online players. You wouldn't expect Overwatch or CoD to go single-player for similar reasons. They need people online to flesh out the community and keep queue times reasonable, so they can't make everything available offline - but it's beyond that point for you.
Again, I agree that the drip-feed of characters and the pricing of skins is worthy of derision and should be brought up again and again. Keep making noise over these issues, they will make some concessions where they're willing. Offline content is likely not one of those areas. Likewise, keep making noise about the queue times in your region, but please state your platform and region. Hopefully they'll find a solution, even if it comes to merging regions and playing with higher ping. Ultimately, I think the W10-Xbox One playerbase will keep shrinking, so they need to do something now. Whether it's promoting the game in those territories, doing giveaways, I don't know. I think they're more likely to give up on it though, unless an alternative solution is discovered. Another option may be to scale to a certain number of players. So having 2-4 players and adjusting the difficulty around this.
Either way, I'm on your side, I'm just trying to be pragmatic.
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Argentil im italian and i play on xbox one,the only people i found lives in the US,now you want play in the midnight?
thats why i want the offline/solo mode rewards because i cant farm NOTHING!!!
I see why you'd be frustrated, for sure. Realistically, what would you have them do? If you can think of a solution, you should really try pitch it to them. Also, do you have a US account? I'm not sure why you're getting matched with US players. The PS4 version has a US and EU version with split playerbases. Is the Xbox One version not like that?
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Argentil im italian and i play on xbox one,the only people i found lives in the US,now you want play in the midnight?
thats why i want the offline/solo mode rewards because i cant farm NOTHING!!!
I see why you'd be frustrated, for sure. Realistically, what would you have them do? If you can think of a solution, you should really try pitch it to them. Also, do you have a US account? I'm not sure why you're getting matched with US players. The PS4 version has a US and EU version with split playerbases. Is the Xbox One version not like that?
no i dont have US account but i play with some people lives in new york,now you know why im frustated...and sad...
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I shouldn't need a 'consolation prize' for a game I paid for. Especially not a prize that involves me being forced to buy it a second time, for a chance at getting to play it.
Actually yes, I would 100% expect this from COD or Overwatch...if they were made by an indie developer and their multiplayer campaigns had an actual story and PVE that already had a solo mode installed, but they don't. So don't compare this game to other games that aren't even remotely similar in structure. Oh! Now that I think about it, COD has zombie mode, which is a PVE mode that does, in fact, have a private mode.
I am making noise about it, that's literally what I've been doing. And when I do that, I'm told to buy the game again, but on a different system/region, or I'm not playing it at the right time or search the forums for other people that want to play or...
Scaling is literally what's being asked for when asking for a private mode. Only two people? Scale the mission for two. Three people? Scale for three. Etc, etc. Just let people play the game without waiting a half hour for a fifteen minute mission. To put it simply, there aren't enough players to facilitate timely matches, and why would anyone bother inviting anyone to a game under those conditions? So them and their buddies can spend twenty minutes hoping more people come along while not playing anything?
If someone said to me, "Hey you wanna play this game? The characters are interesting and the gameplay is fun, but pretty often you have to spend 20-30 minutes waiting in the queue for a match. Oh, and sometimes, people you join will kill themselves immediately to make you lose for quick rewards, or go AFK and there's no way to kick them, and also new skins cost as much as a whole new game, and also if you want new weapons, you need to play the super unbalanced Antagonist mode. On occasion, you won't get any rewards either, or you'll get almost nothing because it's split between the group.", I'd laugh at them.
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Clearly you're not interested in people trying to help you out by offering suggestions or highlighting your issue. You've ignored my suggestions, or twisted them to suit your irate narrative. I didn't tell you to buy the game again, and I don't work for MercurySteam, but hell - if I did, you're making it hard to help you. I'm done with this thread, good luck buddy.
@BOILER 4K: I hope they figure something out for you and others in your situation though. I only really contributed to this thread to keep a dialogue going to get some eyes on it and try to work toward solutions.
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Maybe be able to have private matches but with reduced rewards(10-20% resource reduction) ? And if you open it up for antagonists it will just be like a normal match. I don't know man I also want the ability to start a match quickly with my buddies.
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Sounds more to me like you're upset that your "advice" didn't work, and that your words didn't somehow make me ignore the game's glaring issues. I didn't ignore your suggestions, I pointed out how those suggestions either were wrong, wouldn't work, or shouldn't need to be done in the first place, but it seems that you've decided that ignoring people who don't agree with you is the proper response. Step down from that high-horse of yours, and you might see things a bit differently. Quite a few people would like a chance to play the game privately. As Boiler suggested, I'd totally take a reward reduction, since I'm pretty sure that I'd make more gold that way. In the time I could spend waiting for a mission, I could beat the same mission once or twice.
Also, there's no need to try and pretend you didn't use 'buy another copy' as advice, because that was one of your first suggestions. Your suggestions were to: Recruit more people, trawl the forums for other members, or "The only other solution would be to play the game on a different platform or get the EU version of the client and put up with more latency.", exactly as you said it. Which literally means buy another copy, but on a different system.
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No, I wasn't suggesting you start over again in a new region, unless you hadn't invested too much into the game. It wasn't my real solution to the problem, but a consolation prize, so to speak.
Sadly, this is a multiplayer focused game from a small studio, their profitability relies on a large number of online players. You wouldn't expect Overwatch or CoD to go single-player for similar reasons. They need people online to flesh out the community and keep queue times reasonable, so they can't make everything available offline - but it's beyond that point for you.
Again, I agree that the drip-feed of characters and the pricing of skins is worthy of derision and should be brought up again and again. Keep making noise over these issues, they will make some concessions where they're willing. Offline content is likely not one of those areas. Likewise, keep making noise about the queue times in your region, but please state your platform and region. Hopefully they'll find a solution, even if it comes to merging regions and playing with higher ping. Ultimately, I think the W10-Xbox One playerbase will keep shrinking, so they need to do something now. Whether it's promoting the game in those territories, doing giveaways, I don't know. I think they're more likely to give up on it though, unless an alternative solution is discovered. Another option may be to scale to a certain number of players. So having 2-4 players and adjusting the difficulty around this.
Either way, I'm on your side, I'm just trying to be pragmatic.
The thing is about Overwatch and CoD is they at least have a Private match mode/custom games where you can 1v1 a friend or fight against bots if they wish and not have to play online against other people or wait for the queuing time. That's what they need to do. Have a custom game mode where we can earn the same rewards and have the same amount of fun.
Other than that, there is no real solution to this. None of us want to see this game die, which is why we are even complaining about having an Custom game/Private match mode. So we can keep playing the game, recommend it to others, and keep this series alive.
That's all we ask for. Us who HAS PAID for the unlike a big chunk of the community who only play the free demo.
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I can't do this anymore I've been a queue with a friend for a hour now and no one is joining. How does anybody expect to play this game if you can't even start a mission. I would recommend this to other people cause from what I played it's really fun but how can I recommend something when you can't even play it. And I'm not playing single player I enjoy this game with friends.
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IDK how to tell you another way that you are killing your game.
You have awesome art, you have awesome scenario and cinematics but only one idiot ruined all this. This idion thinks that people want play antagonist ant they want pay $20 for one skin and he thinks that people who like online multyplayer doesnt need co-op, or he thinks that matchmaking + four random people it about co-op???
Fallos,
As we have stated before, all feedback, including things you dislike or disagree with, is welcome. Insulting or calling names is not.
I have modified your original post, editing out the insults. As stated in the community rules, please consider this a warning. We encourage you to keep sharing constructive criticism, but if the usage of insults or inappropriate language persists, it will result in a temporal or even permanent ban.
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I can't do this anymore I've been a queue with a friend for a hour now and no one is joining. How does anybody expect to play this game if you can't even start a mission. I would recommend this to other people cause from what I played it's really fun but how can I recommend something when you can't even play it. And I'm not playing single player I enjoy this game with friends.
I can only offer my help if you're playing on Xbox or Win10. Then you would only need one more person!
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I can't do this anymore I've been a queue with a friend for a hour now and no one is joining. How does anybody expect to play this game if you can't even start a mission. I would recommend this to other people cause from what I played it's really fun but how can I recommend something when you can't even play it. And I'm not playing single player I enjoy this game with friends.
Just do what someone else is the forum once told me. Just buy another copy of the game, that'll somehow solve your problem...
For real though, I sympathize. I'm in the same boat here. I love the game. It's super fun to play, and I'd love to recommend it more. I recommended it to a friend once, and after spending thirty minutes in a queue, only to join a game where someone repeatedly threw themselves off a cliff in order to force a quick failure and collect a reward, they (for some crazy reason) deleted the game.
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Hi JewMeat,
There are several channels where you can find people to play, one is this new board in this forum: https://www.raidersofthebrokenplanet.com/community/index.php?board=23.0
And the other one is the Unofficial Discord Community, which is very active and healthy: https://discordapp.com/invite/KEw7zcE
Welcome to the Broken Planet!
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IMO there's no reason valid enough as to why they cant allow 2-3 friends play by themselves so THEY can enjoy a game together. You rather make 3 players' experience a chore rather than letting them play? n
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I honestly don't get it WHEN is the time that it takes 30 min to join the game. I have PS4, I live in a country nobody knows, I almost always play alone with random people and the longest wait I've EVER had was 15 min.
If you guys already have a 2 or 3 people team ready then I'm 100% sure that long waiting times whine is complete BS.
Just queue for multiple missions, not just one. If you haven't unlocked all missions yet, then do them in solo on easy. If you can't beat any mission in solo on easy then start to think about maybe the problem lies within yourselves. Every mission in solo mode can be beaten in 10 min on easy with literally any character.
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So, just to confirm. You're claiming that people are lying (which they would gain nothing from) simply because you haven't had the same experience. Unlike you and your amazing luck, I can definitely confirm that before the (Not So) Ultimate Edition and second campaign were released, I was often waiting twenty to thirty minutes in between every match, even when queuing up for all of them. The longest was around 45 minutes, considering I had the time to watch two full episodes of a show on my PC while waiting.
Even with a team of two or three, spending fifteen minutes is far, faaaaaaar too long a wait for a fifteen to twenty minute mission. That's fine...if you're waiting to do a raid in an MMO or something, but not for this kind of game.
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I would never suggest anyone buy a second copy though it's been done on many games before. Vermintide for example, many people own it on both PC and console. This game gives you an opportunity to keep your second version free. If my PC was capable I absolutely would be playing on the Steam just to play with more people. I wouldn't play it as much since it would rely on tickets. You really do got to tone it down a bit though Human you're acting incredibly defensive against any and all advice. When you're taking it so far as to start attacking people directly then you're no longer angry at the game you're just angry period.
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Hey guys to anyone looking for help and players on Xbox one, me and all the guys i play with on here are more than glad to play with new players to build up the community and offer tips to help. I'm usually always on at some point, shoot me a message via xbox and I'll help out as much as time allows me an the others. Don't be dishearten, I love the game and all it's missions Dev team keep at it I'm wanting more.