That would definitely help but still doesn't change if you like say Loath or Ayana they are not the best choices on any level where you shoot at stuff in the distance.

I have had this happen on a really long drawn out match on that level too. Except we run out of bullets but had the aleph. I had a full team of 4 so it's not tied to disconnects.

Yeah that would be a good idea. May be difficult to implement though.

The issue is a majority of people have the mentality that they must win every time no matter what or the game is broken. This time of player will only queue for levels like fistful of sand over and over again and will instantly kill the protector each time.

This is rubbish if you are on the receiving end especially if rewards are in play too. But if you are just starting what option do you have. If you need to finish that level to move onto the next and are unlucky enough to get 8 antagonist matches in a row against the same guy, which can and does happen. What do you do?

The same is true of every Counsil apocalypse level to a lesser degree. But with new players against an antagonist here he stops progress through an already grindy game as it is.

It just isn't fun for the four player team at all. I see way more disconnects on the raiders side at low levels than the antag. An example being I had four mentor matches and the same antagonist playing as Valeria invaded each one. Using the whip gun specifically on levels with choke points. Powered up this gun rinses the entire team before you can get close. If you don't have the right characters it's possible to get spawn locked. On every one of these matches the new players left and switched off the game. How is this good for getting people to stay around?

I understand antagonist can be fun and adds the end game when everything else gets stale. I really believe it should be separate, but bring back the league table they had in at the start but add raiders to it too. The top antagonist and team of the week then get a massive reward. The levels would be chosen an random each match for both sides too.

This would stop the noob stomping and disconnects that happen all the time now and add even more of an end game.

This game is difficult enough to get to grips with as it is without the added frustration of invasions when you first start. More players would be better for everyone.

Yeah that is a better summary than my long post above it.
I have seen it first hand with friends that like the game but instantly get turned away by the forced antagonist system. The games they went to play instead were either full PvE or you had the option to do both PvE and PvP.

I understand the antagonist system is this games unique selling point, but it turns many people away. More players gives a better chance of some of them being paying customers.

It's on an 8 hour rotation to purposely slow progress down so that the newer players can catch up I think. The only other reason would be to keep the higher players playing longer as they may stay on for multiple rotations, this seems unlikely though.


It doesn't make any sense any other way it would be easier to keep everyone on a 24 hour rotation otherwise.

Yeah same here since the update haven't seen one single common blueprint show up they are always gold.

Are the drops linked to which tier you are in so people in the high ones can't get commons?

Yeah if you keep MMR low, it's easier to win, games are found quicker, the rewards are better as you can ace the level without anyone dying. Because all of the weapons are maxed bosses die easier and grunts go down in a few shots.


On top of this a majority of antagonist matches will be in your favour as the team will likely have the same or lower MMR.

Statistically you can get through more matches quicker as a group this way, then just surrender to lower and start again. This would yield more rewards than roughing it out at at higher difficulty.