I understand your point but I don't get why your way of seeing the game would be "the true way" and mine would be the "wrong one" ?
Why playing it as a PvE looter shooter would be wrong, if I want to play it this way ?

Nothing wrong at all playing it as a PVE game since it works great, antags are always coming up with the same crap, “it was marketed as 1v4”, “it’s a core part of the game”… anyone that has invested any significant amount of time in the game would know how empty that statement is, since the game works great as a coop shooter.

Then you have the even more ridiculous and frequently used “Without PVP, this game would be pointless and boring to play after getting everything” which is entirely subjective, yet is thrown in this thread and many others by antags as facts, however here I am sitting on hundreds of hours of gameplay, having attained everything and still I keep coming back in spite of the trash forced PVP, because the game itself, the cooperative PVE experience is just so good.

Point is antags are full of it, they are making excuses just to keep other players hostage, nothing more, why do they want to fight PVE players?... I will never know, I’ve never been a tryhard PVP’er or a griefer, so I can’t quite follow their logic.

We know Warframe has a way larger playerbase, and yet all of their pvp modes have almost no players, because they suck.

Hmmm sounds an awful lot like Raiders PVP if you ask me, or are you saying there’s a huge active antag population? Just because the discord is full of them doesn’t mean much, the discord is only a small part of the playerbase.

Make antag optional= game fixed.

Pretty much...
Básicamente...

Con el nuevo modo aventura, que saldrá en la siguiente actualización, las recompensas a final de mes se verán enormemente incrementadas, así como la llegada de la nueva tienda, en la que tendremos packs y ofertas que irán rotando a lo largo del tiempo.
Gracias por vuestro feedback!

Aunque no sé exactamente como todo va a funcionar, a lo que entiendo al ver “Inside Spacelords #13”, este nuevo modo aventura suena muy preocupante desde el punto de vista de los jugadores PVE, ya nosotros tenemos suficiente con tener que aguantar sin opción alguna a los antagonistas. Si este nuevo modo toma todas las notas juntas y requiere de calificaciones de victorias antagonistas, va a ser un enorme problema para nosotros los que no participamos del PVP, como jugador PVE no me siento muy bienvenido y un sistema así se sentiría como que finalmente nos estén echando a patadas.

Sin embargo, si el modo aventura maneja las notas por separado, dando la opción de llenar la barra con partidas raider o antag, entonces mis preocupaciones serian en vano.

I definitely don’t want to see it die, but it seems inevitable for many reasons, I would say the main reason is that it doesn’t know what it wants to be, it’s not pvp, it’s not pve and it pisses of both demographics in its own way.

I still have my doubts on Anthem but maybe it will work for ppl on the pve side, there is no MMR shenanigans, simply difficulty options, and no tacked on pvp that pve players must participate in for rewards (looking at you Destiny...) or are forced into (like our esteemed game being discussed here), in fact no pvp whatsoever and a community that seems to be very happy with that.

In any case I hope we get to see the ending to the story or at least most of it, and I also hope maybe someday I’ll be able to simply queue up for a damn match knowing I won’t get some tryhard pvp dude wasting my time.

@LordDraco3 Idk what to tell you, maybe we are just at very opposite extremes of the spectrum and the game is fucking us both, I lost gold bp’s for aneska to antags that had loads of help and have also noticed them getting a lot of help on other matches, and unlike before there doesn’t seem to be a difference in hp/damage of the mobs.

Antags are a pain, but since I had all bp’s I often forget how much more of a pain they can be when they literally set you back 8+h from progressing, it is beyond retarded and unreasonable, and takes the issues of forced pvp to a whole new lvl, it quite literally ruins the game.

So basically since they don’t want to make it optional, they are at least balancing it so it’s less annoying on the player base, well it’s a compromise, so it’s something, good on you MS I can see where you’re coming from, that said there’s still way to many missions that are easily cheesed by antags, Short Fused, Media Res, Mind over Matter, to name a few. Short Fused is especially frustrating with antag, now that we have to make so many trips a single bomb lost to antag shenanigans is way to annoying, they have all the advantage in said mission if they go with a sniper, sooo maybe don’t allow them to pick up bombs? Idk…

And as for the bottom line of this thread, it is incorrect, don’t believe it for a second MS, I get plenty of antags every day, the mode is in no way dead, and a patch to over tune it for antags would be very bad for the already shaky player numbers.

I've read a lot of people talking about antags ruining thier game, (not so much anymore since the majority of posters here are likely lv150+). I'm wondering if I'm the only one who is having trouble with the opposite experience.

Lvl 150+ here, antags still ruin the game, and get more annoying and hard to stomach with every lvl I gain.

I have played for exactly 1 year now, and antagonist is currently the WORST it has ever been in my entire play time. If you feel like you suck right now, it's because antags received a massive nerf accross the board this patch. The mode is nearly unplayable.

As an antag you are supposed to be losing most of the time, can you imagine if antags in general had even a 50% victory rate, the playerbase would be even lower than it already is, giving victory rewards to 1 person over 4 is not exactly something ppl are going to put up with, MS makes us put up with antags, least they can do is have them have a low winrate so they annoy in the least way possible… So if what you say is accurate (can’t really confirm or deny since I don’t antag) those changes are good for the game.

Anyways I think MMR has improved lately, or atleast it’s back to being closer to what we had post hades.

I think their communication has improved a bit lately and although there is indeed a lot of cookie cutter responses, there have also been some meaningful posts talking a bit more about future mechanics or their reasons for certain changes, especially on the steam forums, more details on current and future mechanics would be welcomed though.

They do however avoid any involvement on optional pvp discussions like the plague, I mean, doing what they are doing to the pve portion of their community is plain wrong and I think they know hence why they avoid it, my message to them is that their pvp is not a major selling point, it’s not what brings in new players, there may be a few that are looking for this type of 4v1, but the majority probably aren’t aware that the game even has pvp of any kind when trying it out, then the antagonist system itself alienates a good chunk of those who try it. Some players will quit just because the game can be hard true, but why add on to that by making others that would have stayed for the pve challenge, quit because of forced pvp, and that is the major issue with the pvp, not that it exists but that it is forced and completely random.

I agree with the op, the issue has ofc not gone away, it kills the will to log on and as much as I love the game it becomes increasingly hard to justify playing when most likely a session is going to be cut short out of sheer frustration because of invasions.